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They just signed Gaza's death warrant.
No. The election results are a blowout, larger than just this subcommunity.
I'm annoyed at Muslims for failing to back Harris and prevent the future atrocities. But I will not blame them. Trump got too many votes in general, and might even win the popular vote.
EDIT: We need a bigger reckoning than just blaming a minority of the minority. I don't want to blame Harris either, she seemed to do the best that she was given but it always was long odds given that she's a Half-Indian Half-Black Woman. (Racism from Whites, Racism from Indians for being a race-traitor, and then sexism from everyone including minorities).
But this is a bigger election loss than "just" a minority failing to show up to vote. We lost the Senate, Presidency, and probably the House.
EDIT: Kamala needed to win PA, WI, and MI. She literally lost all three of them. A large outspoken minority of just one State (MI) is not to blame for the PA or WI losses.
They all get to share the blame. What are you even trying to say? “Damn guys, I voted for hitler but it’s okay he won by more than a single vote so I didn’t even matter”
I'm saying we needed like 10-million more votes to even reach parity with Biden 2020 here.
Complaining about a few hundred-thousand votes in one, albeit important, swing state, is missing the forests for the trees. This is a resounding defeat of the Democrat's platform this year.
The platform goes above and beyond just Harris btw. I'm including "Fascism" and other such arguments we used online / memes that clearly didn't work well enough. We need to talk about everything and prepare for 2026 and 2028.
I've been trying to say that for ages, but got called (and still get called) a MAGA troll.
Edit: Got called a Trumper in this very thread. Again. Fix your country, y'all.
Some fuckers voted trump; I hate them.
The End.
This is bullshit rhetoric. She ran a shit campaign of trying to appease republican voters and cater to the snowflake right wing fear machine by shushing Palestine voices to back genocide directly and trying to sound tougher on immigration and border policy in the face of literal fascist policy campaigns by Trump. This is 100% the fault and failure of the Harris campaign’s strategy and the DNC for being so chicken shit scared of losing that they kept the corpse in chief in the running for too long. Catering to the fascist right policies never works and ignoring insanely popular progressive policy always fails. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
I will say a large swath of the country moved to the right (anti-immigration, anti-trans, etc) and so trying to push progressive values in a time where people believe progressive values are what led to inflation is a losing argument as well that wouldn't have gotten much national support.
There were literal commercials framing Kamala as a villain for having empathy about trans people in prison.
A large swath of the country that wouldn't vote Democrat in a million years. As a Democrat presidential candidate, you straight up don't care about those people. You care about the other half, which moved to the left and includes demographics that have historically responded to leftist messaging.
You can blame lemmy.ml for their strategic manipulation
You can blame us for this application, sure. Having an impact on the results of this election? Unlikely
I agree with you in general but you should be blaming Harris. Have you even been keeping up with her campaign? I couldn't believe that shit and I'm not even American. She managed to squander a massive headstart by... Being Harris.
What does that even mean?
It means they understand sweet FA about American politics and wish to lecture us on American politics.
Harris's campaign sucked even in the eyes of me, a non-American who doesn't keep up with the nitty gritty of American politics. She had a massive headstart (remember the first while after her nomination? She was basically a messiah for democrats) and managed to lose it with her wishy washy attitude and right wing policies.
In another thread you were commenting how much you liked that Shitface won, and now you want people to convince that you don't care about US politics but hoped Harris would've been a better candidate, without ever saying anything specific?
I gave their profile a cursory look, but I couldn't find this in the few handfuls of posts I looked at. Do you have a link to a comment or two showing this, maybe I missed it?
It got deleted: https://fedia.io/m/politics@lemmy.world/t/1400043/Kamala-Harris-cancels-election-day-speech-as-Donald-Trump-inches/comment/8067777#entry-comment-8067777
Can you not put words in my mouth? I'm hoping for some sweet karma against Harris for messing up the Democrat campaign so hard and causing four more years of Trump.
Blaming Harris for that is just idiotic and I don't believe you arguing in good faith when you say this shit.
I mean believe whatever you want then I guess. If you can't believe that her promise to build a border wall didn't sit well with democrat voters, that's on you.
And what do you think Trump is going to do? Enjoy your concentration camps & fascism while the world freefalls into a climate collapse.
I literally never said anything that implies I'm happy about Trump's election why do you insist that I'm secretly a Trumper? Is it that hard to believe that someone can criticize Harris without being a Trump supporter?
Because it's a two party system there. You either get Trump, or you get Harris. So running around and arguing that potential Harris voters didn't vote for her because she (according to you) may does very lightweight variants of what Trump would do 500x times worse, is just bullshit. You don't like Harris supporting Israel, so you vote for Trump? What do you think Trump will do? The guy asked if they can't just nuke the entire middle east. So if you don't want Trump, you would've had to vote for Harris. Anything else would be in support of Trump. That's how it works in the US.
I mean yes, and enough people didn't know that or, more likely, just didn't care. Voters' default state is staying at home; they need to be pushed to go to the polls. Harris failed at that. Whatever the reasons may be, I still don't understand why you're blaming me for it. I'm not even American what do you expect me to do here?
Harris didn't fail at that. It's the voters / non voters fault.
No matter whose fault it was, it was Harris and her campaign managers' job to make sure this doesn't happen. Blaming the voters is about as productive as yelling about your controller being broken. Or will it sound better if it's Bernie saying it?
It's the voters responsibility to vote and to make an informed decision. Or to formulate it differently: You get what you vote for. And your analogy makes no sense either, unless you're saying voters are controlled little drones that can't do anything without user input.
Since I responded to your other claim earlier, here I'll just say this:
I never said I didn't care about US politics. I said I don't keep up with the nitty gritty, meaning the details of the policies being discussed. For example, I knew that Harris was adopting a right wing stance on immigration, but only today found out she had promised to build a border wall.
Like what?
Completely adopting the right-wing framing on immigration. Ended up running in favor of the most right-wing and damaging immigration bill. (She adopted it because Trump rejected the bill because he wanted to run on it.)
Signing on to continue Trump's stupid border wall.
Adopting a policy on Gaza that was as favorable to Israel as any official policy of the Republicans.
Not challenging state-level laws against trans people, largely taking a state's right position on the matter.
Seeking out and running on endorsements from Dick Cheney and other prominent Republicans.
Embracing fracking when fracking isn't even supported by a majority of Pennsylvanians.
Completely abandoning medicare for all, not even making the public option a major part of her campaign.
You're annoyed they didn't back the person providing the weapons to kill their families?
This election loss had nothing to do with her gender or ethnicity. She was a shit candidate that alienated huge chunks of the population.
They took the pistol out of the person's hand that was pointed at them and replaced it with a bazooka. Good job. Very well thought out /s.
How do you not get this?
I voted for Harris, but I also realize that this "They took the pistol out of the person’s hand that was pointed at them and replaced it with a bazooka" is a seriously poor description of Israel and the Gaza conflict in regards to Harris and Trump.
Harris didn't really offer anything substantially better for Palestine than Trump did. Yes, Trump personally wouldn't mind it if Israel just completely bulldozed the entire West Bank and Gaza tomorrow and annexed the whole thing. Harris wouldn't support that. But the real barrier to that kind of full-on ethnic cleansing is not US military support. Even with full US backing, Israel can't do that kind of full-on ethnic cleansing without becoming subject to complete trade embargoes by every country in Europe.
Israel has been physically capable of completely annexing the West Bank and Gaza for decades. They've taken the slow approach to ethnic cleansing - slowly taking territory via zoning building permits - precisely because they need to balance their territorial ambitions with their need for trade with other nations. This is what ultimately restrains them from their worst possible crimes.
Neither Trump nor Kamala would have used US military aid to rein in Israel. Neither would use US military forces to prevent an all-out genocide attempt by Israel. Trump wouldn't oppose an overt Israeli genocide against the Palestinians. But if Israel gets to that point, then they're not going to be thinking about US military aid at that point.
As a practical matter, Trump vs Kamala is a wash for the Palestinians.
You will discover you are very wrong, unfortunately.
But that’s ok because it doesn’t matter now.
Let’s hope for the best.
Your response is coming from the entitlement of not having your entire extended family disappeared.
I'm glad you have that privilege.
Don't murder peoples families and expect their support.
"Yes, we murdered your entire extended family, but we need your help to beat this person we swear would kill your family 110% faster. Never mind the fact that we already killed all of your extended family"
What don't you get about this? You and people like you have zero credibility given what the people you support ALREADY HAVE DONE with the people they've done it to.
"I would do nothing different than Joe Biden"
-- Kamala Harris
That death warrant was signed October 7 2023