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This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.
I'm not doubting you OP, just asking if anyone has the voter demographics data that shows Gen Z males voted for Trump because I'm interested in the #'s of the issue.
As to the question of the post: I think part of the issue is that what it means to be a strong, mentally healthy male has been left unspecified or even attacked in recent years and that's left a lot of young men confused and upset. Men get all sorts of advice on what's wrong to do, but not enough on what's right. Contradictory advice makes the confusion worse.
Are you supposed to chase a girl or is that creepy? How do you navigate increased romantic isolation and dating apps in a healthy way? What are expectations about being the sole income provider a la tradition? In that vacuum confident, opinionated, clear voices are persuasive, and a lot of those voices are the jackasses pushing a toxic masculinity and telling males to reclaim it. We need more strong, positive male role models and visible social support of them if we want to win young men back - they have to know that being better will yield rewards.
No you're fair to do so, here's the demographic breakdowns and differences between 2020 and 2024 from NBC exit polls.
The particular thing to note is that Trump support jumped from 36% to 42% in the 18-29 demographic, while the other age groups remained steady, this is what I think the tweet is going off of.
You are my hero :) Thank you for the link! You are right to say that number is probably significant. Given how vocal female support of Kamala was, it's likely young men make up a lot of that shift too. Of course we'll have to wait for more detailed stats to be sure, but it's not unreasonable IMO.
No worries, I love discussing numbers, and elections always give some great statistical insight, no matter where in the world it is.
My solace today is being able to look at the numbers and intellectualize some of the outcomes. Otherwise I'd just be depressed all day :')
Sometimes it feels like a man need to feel guilty just for being a man, even if they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
I don't know in America. Here in Spain there is a trend in which to be "feminist" somehow you have to admit that you are a little sexist, because are men are sexist even a little. It is an absolute. It's not even "a majority of men.." its all, no other opinions accepted.
And if you decline that premise, and just say "I'm not sexist, I treat everyone the same despite gender" you are somehow lying and trying to hide your sexism, which makes you a bad person or something.
And I refuse that. I refuse to accept having done things that I have not done. Same I reject accepting responsibility for things I have not made or enabled. And some people still want me to accept that guilt.
That trend needs to die. I know that it creates sorority making the "all of us vs all of them" rhetoric, but my humble believe is that that path do not lead to the desired destination.
Edit: I was going to start the comment with "As a man" as it was my assigned at birth gender. But in all true and while for confort I just let most people treat me with masculine gender I just do not believe in gender as a social construct. Not that I do not believe as in I do not believe it exist, I do not believe that gender is a desirable social construct we need to keep in our society. But that's just my opinion.
We all have implicit biases, this is undeniable. Denying this doesn't make you a bad person, but you are denying reality. Having the biases doesn't make you a bad person either - again we all do. But you can't be mindful of them if you deny they exist.
As I said I reject that extremist premise.
I declare it an extremist idea because is a "Black or white" "All or nothing" thing. We all need to have those biases so "some people" feel better about themselves, one way or the other.
I do not have those biases. That's just it. The only thing I deny is a false accusation made by people that does not know me.
Because those people could came a say to me "see this behavior you had" that's a little sexist. But not, they are unable to point such behavior, they just assume it must exist, because it's part of their dogma.
I'm totally ok to just being pointed at something I made wrong and willing to correct it. But point it first. Not just assume that wrong behavior exist just because of a dogma.
And I also believe that accusing people of things they have not done just to fit a rhetoric is part of the cause of the disengagement of some collectives with the political mainstream left. Why would anyone would want to be near people that want humilliation, responsability and reparations for things one have just not done?
You are reading a lot into my comment about implicit biases that is literally just not there.
Have a good day!
I understand what you mean, and it sucks. I've been accused of being antisemitic because I post against Israeli policy and I've never cared about ethnicity or birthplace. Sometimes because I put up a post talking about supporting Jews that oppose Netanyahu's Zionism. It doesn't matter to some folks - if you have a problem with certain people it's not because of what they do or say, it's sexism, racism, etc.
Here in Canada it's not automatically assumed men are sexist. There are folks who will say that but they are a small group. I can only imagine it's maddening to have to defend yourself constantly, especially if most people won't believe you no matter what. It kind of reminds me of an old Dave Chappelle sketch (NSFW language) about being accused of sleeping with someone and having people assume it happened.