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Realistically... How fucked is the US?
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this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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It's actually likely to be better as long as trump waddles on. He's just so god damn bumbling that even with all the cards, he'll find little ways to not get his shit done.
Mind you it won't be enough, and it will be god damn fucking horrific. But decidedly less smooth while Narcissism Jones keeps grabby-handsing the wheel from his handlers and derailing his own goals.
Until they kill him or use the 25th amendment to install Vance. Now that he’s won, you think the people around the useful idiot who have accepted all the Russian money will just let him fuck their plans up?
It's a double-edged sword, even for the GOP. Trump's followers are a cult, and cultists follow one person. So without Trump as the godhead, there's no one with enough (ugh) charisma and panache to unify the GOP rabble.
Burning the witches is WAY more important than who tells them they're allowed to burn the witches.
When they lose their "imperfect messenger from God" they'll just follow who their pastors tell them to follow. Maybe they'll change the name to the Trump Party and any nazi Christian soldier can lead it. Bible-banger Vance is lined up as the successor atm, but who knows? Could be Desantis. Could be Bannon. Anyone tapped who's willing to act out that vindictive certainty, solidarity and ferocity that Trump performs so well can do the job for them.
Maybe one of his kids. If the fundie leaders want to be truly perverse (and we know they do), they'll choose Ivanka and call it feminism.
source: grew up in a bog-standard xtian cult village in North America. I know these Good Folk, and the Sharia Law-type plans they have for women. The death of Grab-Her-By-The-Pussy will just be a chance to deify him further.
The right wing always galvanizes behind someone new if it means they get to hurt their enemies.
Sure, but understand basic Followership: a cultist will allow any action, any cut, so long as they believe it ingratiates them with their Leader.
No culthead, no cult following. The GOP reverts to a mob.
Until a new strongman pops up. I’ve been watching this movie for 30+ years.
They’re not going to seize power and then fuck it up. Project 2025 will go forward. There is structure behind this movement. I’d like to believe that Trump dying or going away would fix the problem too, but it won’t.
You might be right. I've also been watching this debacle for 30 years, so I can't say you're wrong, but I am hoping the high level marionettes die off (as so many are incredibly old) before the new crop of would-be-Confederates has a chance to reorganize.
Of course, the Dems would assuredly bungle that opportunity as well, since I have been watching this play out, act after act.
Joe Rogan, Aiden Ross, Theo Von, Andrew Tate, etc. will have Gen Z men in lockstep with whoever rises to the top of the shit pile. It’s like Rush Limbaugh on steroids. Coordinated, algorithm driven, and a pipeline ready to take any young man without critical thinking skills down the slippery slope to the alt-right.
That’s what scares me the most and feels different about all of this.
I was worried Bush 2 would cancel elections to continue presiding over his War on Terror. This feels so much worse.
Can't argue against those points, though I still think that the figures listed lack the broader weight and gravitas required to successfully hold together a cult following. Trump succeeds because he's also an old Boomer, and old Boomer white men like to imagine they are him- a weak man's idea of a strong man.
As to the young men of America, we have essentially left them behind for 25-30 years as the cultural focus pivoted to ensuring that girls and young women have a seat at the table. So now young women are graduating college and going into advanced education and growing professional careers, but boys and young men have been handed the remnants of toxic masculinity, without any real, positive modeling. My father predicted this outcome in the late 90s and it's been heartbreaking to watch it play out.
Hope you’re right but my wife and her family are Salvadoreños. I can’t take chances.
He seems to lack competence in many ways, but some of the guys around him are a whole lot more conniving and potentially effective.
It's also not likely Trump feels any urge to hire a somewhat moderate(ish) cabinet of professionalls like he did last time. I assume he learned his lesson given that they all eventually turned on him.
So let's see. I think he's spent the past 4 years surrounding himself with some bad hombres, to borrow a saying, and now he's ready to act with fewer guardrails.