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Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say
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It is not the voters job to embrace a progressive modern platform nor is it their job to get themselves energized over said policies
But both parties have shoved that false belief down voters throats that is the voters' faults when they fail to deliver
Not sure exactly the point you're trying to make, but you're half right. It is a politicians job to convince voters to support their policies, that's true, but it's also equally true that voters should support good policies. While it's not their "job" to do so, they still suffer the consequences for failing to do so all the same. No matter how you slice it, people were stupid to not listen to Bernie all this time.
In a democracy, it sure as Hell is the voters' job to do all that. And more, for that matter.
In fact, the voters should be controlling the parties (if not abolishing them entirely), not the other way around!
No no no, the Democratic Party is some magical uncontrollable entity, we must abandon it, making progressive change infinitely more difficult.
/s if it wasn't obvious. Banana is a bad faith agitator. They desired a GOP victory.
It was the DNC’s job to be clear about Bernie’s message. I voted for him in the 2016 primary even though I was bombarded with “radical socialist regressive left” Bernie articles in my social media feeds at the time.
Unfortunately, most Americans don’t actively seek out information and just accept the picture painted by the news that’s fed to them.
LOL the DNC has actively fought against Bernie's message.
This is a systematic failure. Non-Harris voters are definitely at fault, but so is the DNC for moving further right and abandoning progressives and for sitting on their ass for 4 years.
Democracy is participatory. If it isn't your job, you can't complain when it isn't done to your liking.
Enjoy having Trump. I really don’t have any more words for people like you.
You lot gave everyone Trump by refusing to listen to voters concerns.
You apparently have still not learnt.
Lol I actually voted and voted for Harris. FWIW I’m also a former Republican who voted for Trump in ‘16.
If I’m able to fucking learn then so will all these morons who stayed home and didn’t vote because of either their apathy or “principles”.
Those people gave Trump the path to the White House again.
Oh look, it's the only voter Harris cared about.
Why does it matter if Harris cared about my vote? I did my job. Did you?
Because seeking votes is what campaigning is.
I voted for Harris. Harris didn't do hers. She ran to the right and alienated the left.
Me and others like me warned what would happen as a result, and it was interpreted in all cases as trump support. Got called Russians so often that c/politics eventually made a rule forbidding it. Centrists thought they knew better. Thought that genocide had popular support. Thought that Dick Cheney's endorsement was a win. No one likes Dick Cheney. Even Republicans hated him before the endorsement. The constant abuse aimed at Muslim voters left Trump an in-road that he exploited. Pretending that the economy was fine and that everything was better now, after all the inflation that it sure as fuck looked like the Biden administration just sat back and watched.
Not to mention the very public failures of the Biden administration on labor: Failing to pass BBB, killing the minimum wage increase, and breaking the rail strike. The Biden administration earned the distrust of workers, and it doesn't matter how fair you think that is. Harris didn't do a damned thing to differentiate herself from him on this issue. More of the same was untenable, worse was the only alternative, so people stayed home because they weren't being represented by either party, and one was insulting them and telling them that they weren't struggling because the economy was working fine for billionaires.
Hell, the only daylight between Harris and Biden was when she moved to his right. Promising to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet. Campaigning with Liz Cheney. Even Biden wasn't that tonedeaf.
We warned you. We kept warning you because we knew what was at stake. You were all so fucking pigheaded that you refused to listen.
No one wanted Dick Cheney’s endorsement lol. You are right about most of the points you are making. Unfortunately for the further left, america is about to get a lot more right now. The ideas that progressives are offering are just not resonating with voters while prices are going up up up.
Dems are going to have to start playing nasty if they want to compete now.
Really? Because lemmy's centrists sure seemed really fucking happy to have it.
Congratulations.
No. This is complete self-serving bullshit. The ideas that progressives are offering aren't what Harris ran on. She ran against those ideas. She ran on maintaining an anti-progressive status quo.
Anything to keep from treating the left like humans with agency. And Democrats already play nasty. They just play nasty against the progressive wing of their own party.
Really? I’ve literally never seen anyone on Lemmy excited about Dick Cheney. If you say it’s true it must be true then.
Most people don’t want your far left politics either. Keep staying home though and not voting like your peers. Seems to be working out well 😂
Well, this conversation has now concluded since you have demonstrated that you don't listen:
I know centrists are completely fucking incapable of listening to anything anyone to their left says, but this was in this same thread.
Despite your continued hostility I can see you are having some issues:
Try to think this out, slowly.
Conversation was over when you made it clear you don't listen.
Im sorry that you found my questions difficult to answer 😂