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[-] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least I'm getting some gimp experience.

This quote is particularly telling.

Those concerns picked up steam in the past week after Ukraine launched a second push in the southern Zaporizhzhia region and has still come up mostly empty in the eyes of Western allies.

You know, like when you are doing a group project and all your "partners" just watch you do all of it, but in this case the project is made with other people's blood, and you already knew the whole class was gonna fail anyway.

It would be funny seeing the blame game getting heated between (what remains of) Ukraine and NATO, if not for all the senseless and pointless spilling of blood they could've avoided from the start. I bet eventually they'll agree on some third-party scapegoat a la WW1 Germany.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 1 year ago

Anybody who thinks the west is doing this to help Ukrainians needs to stop smoking crack. There was even an article a few days ago that actually admitted that the west knew Ukraine lacked the resources to do the offensive, but forced them into it anyways:

When Ukraine launched its big counteroffensive this spring, Western military officials knew Kyiv didn’t have all the training or weapons—from shells to warplanes—that it needed to dislodge Russian forces. But they hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day.

The big question is how the west gets out of this debacle now. Having spent two years propagandizing the public, it's hard to do a 180 on the spot. A lot of politicians have their careers staked on this war, and if Russia wins decisively then they're going to be politically toxic at that point. They asked people to make all these sacrifices saying it would be worth it in the end, and now the end is coming and it's not what they said it would be.

My prediction is that they're going to throw Ukraine under the bus saying that Ukrainians lied about the state of the war, and maybe they're gonna remember about all the nazis too all of a sudden. Framing all this as the fault of Ukraine seems like the only solution at this point.

[-] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But they hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day

Why though. What makes Ukrainians so resourceful and courageous according to them? This shit reeks racism like "the Russian are less brave and smart because actually they're 70% asian while Ukrainians are actually 60% european" fr 💀

[-] CicadaSpectre@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

I'm sure racism is a component, but to me it reads more like the arrogant self-righteousness the West engages in, mixed with falling for their own propaganda. Americans, at least, still think the stories from the beginning of the war of massive Russian losses and Ukrainian farmers taking out battalions of tanks are still true. When you try so hard to create this image of the invincible underdog, you shouldn't be surprised when your own side plans for that kind of impossible prowess. Everyone in the West was stirred up into a frenzy about the righteousness of the Ukrainian cause, the tenacity of the Ukrainian people, and the miraculous heroics they allegedly pulled off. I'm not surprised that, at some point, someone actually fell for their own lies. They're paying for it. Or rather, the Ukrainian people are paying for it, sadly.

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