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[-] r00ty@kbin.life 27 points 2 weeks ago

I think it goes further than that. There's two things happening with regard to AI and software development.

1: Stack overflow has become less common as a resource to solve problems. This, as you say has a problem of input into LLMs for future problems to solve.
2: Junior developers are being hired less because of AI. I assume the idea is that seniors will use AI in the same way they would usually use juniors. Except, they've done what business always does. Not think one bit about the future. Today's senior developers are yesterdays junior developers.

The combination of AI performance drop due to point 1, and the lack of new developers because of point 2 makes for potentially, a bad future for the profession.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

Junior developers are being hired less because of AI.

Where are you seeing this? I've not seen any evidence of that, yet.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 5 points 2 weeks ago

I've been told about companies in the same field as mine with a hiring freeze on juniors. So it's kinda second hand.

[-] privacyplslemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Im a consultant senior dev and devops engineer. Ive worked for over 100 companies in the last 10 years on various engagements. Ive worked for multiple companies and clients at the same time through some consulting agencies. Ive worked for startups and FAANG companys. Ive also worked as a technical PM and EM for these same companies and hired hundreds of engineers.

Junior dev market is 100% in its last death throws before finally officially being pronounced dead. The job market has vanished so thoroughly between AI and offshoring in a high fed-rate economy, even though we just started rate cutting, by the time we feel the effects, AI will have further killed juniors without ever returning.

I dislike it, because i want to train people not machines, but the average junior dev is so bad its insane and not only have companies found that out, senior engineers have too. Many people like to TALK about mentoring new engineers.... the reality is, few actually do. It takes significantly less time to correct chatgpt and claude code then it does to have a junior take 2-5 days and write it all wrong, and they interrupt your work to ask you a million questions again and again.

I just had a contract with a startup company... 40 million series B company with a simple fucking CRUD app.... their engineering team? 35 SENIOR ONLY engineers. The least senior of which was an IC3 our of IC6 senior engineer.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 1 points 1 week ago

This does tally up with what I've been hearing. Where I'm at there's been a few hires straight into senior. I've not heard of an official junior freeze. At the same time it's been a long time since I've seen a new one.

The problem, as I commented prior, is that if we no longer bring in junior devs to gain this kind of experience, we lose the flow of junior -> senior. But in most places, the people making the decisions won't consider anything beyond the end of the current fin year.

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