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Surely we can learn from this?
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Yeah I agree, it's the voters who are wrong. Can't wait to see how this strategy pans out next cycle!
Honestly, the voters voted in a way that made sense, given the information they had, which was either nothing - complete and utter lethargy, or a hyper-partisan distortion of reality reinforced by a multi-billion dollar propaganda industry backed by, among many others, the literally richest man on the planet in addition to an entire network of propaganda stations blasting disinformation 24/7. The voters being wrong is intentional and has been in the making for decades.
They did vote in a way that makes sense. The Harris campaign offered nothing in the way of economic relief, while committing genocide. That's an insanely bad proposition. Stop blaming voters and look at your dogshit candidates.
Trump offered less than nothing in the way of economic relief and he will accelerate the genocide. The voters didn't vote in a way that makes sense, and that is Harris's fault.
Be honest: you claim that Harris offers no economic relief because you yourself never bothered to look up her actual policies and you've been told that she has none. It's wild to even compare anything she's proposed to Trump's economic policies and conclude that she offers the general populace less when all Trump has done is to massively shift wealth from the bottom to the top and will most likely continue to do just that.
Name them.
Go to her fucking policy page and read them. They're still there. Off the top of my head, additional support for parents, anti-gouging laws limiting price hiking, tax incentives for creation of more housing supply, among others that were expressly mentioned by her and can still be found on hee campaign page.
Here's the thing; if, "go to her policy page," is your answer, you're proving their point. There was some stuff in her platform that I actually really liked, but I didn't hear about it for a while, and I'm terminally plugged into politics. What I heard a lot about when I listened to her stumping was middle-class shit like small business credits and first-time homebuyer's assistance. For Americans living paycheck to paycheck, you might as well be offering them a butler subsidy. The stuff that would have helped the poorest Americans, like grocery price control, was on the sidelines when it needed to be the center of the campaign.
You understand we're talking about messaging here, and that most of the electorate does not read the policy pages. I guess you don't actually otherwise I wouldn't have to write this. The electorate sees the ads, the debates, and if they're really engaged, maybe the interview. Compare those with Obamna's interviews and so on. His were inundated with references to health care and the like. Hers with quaint stories about how she was a small business when she was growing up or some shit, and maybe uncritical support for apartheid.
Sure, you're talking about messaging now, but that isn't the context of the thread this sits in, where you very obviously implied she had no substantive policy contrasting her with Trump. I agree that messaging was apparently poor--the American electorate apparently cannot be expected to make even a minimal effort at diligence--but that is not the same as there being no policy. So I think the real lesson is that American voters are even dumber and lazier than the democrats give them credit for, which unfortunately is not conducive to shifting the Overton window leftwards for once.
Opposing price gouging alone would be a step that aims to prevent corporations from conspiring to drive costs up at will for everybody who doesn't profit off price-gouging. Compare and contrast that to Trump's biggest achievements, massive tax cuts for the ultra-rich and getting his cronies the commission to build a tiny fragment of a wall that Mexico yet has to pay for, and everybody who's not rich enough to own a TV station should be on her side.
Being right doesn’t automatically make you popular.
Apparently it does on the right.
I mean, yes, the over 70 million voters who voted for Trump absolutely are wrong. That they're mostly too willfully fucking stupid to understand that may speak to a failure in Harris' messaging, but nevertheless does not absolve them of the guilt of being willfully dumb as fucking rocks.
Harris had concrete plans to tackle many, though not all, of the issues people actually care about. People voted for the man openly stating he will make those issues worse.
It's blatantly the fault of the voters. Until you people can get your heads out of your asses and join us in reality nothing will change.
Truth. We definitely need to nominate better voters next cycle.
No she hasn't.
'No it isn't' without any citations is the laziest response ever and earns you my 'disregard opinions' tag next to your username
Two things:
If you have any leg to stand on, it shouldn't be hard to come up with a concrete example of what you mean.
Housing Affordability:
Tax Relief and Economic Support:
Healthcare Costs:
Climate and Clean Energy:
Worker Protections:
All topics that have been of significant concern to voters. Just not enough for them to turn out.
Citations: [1] What We Know About Kamala Harris' Policy Agenda Before ... - Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/09/10/what-we-know-about-kamala-harris-policy-agenda-before-tonights-debate/ [2] Harris Campaign Releases Plans to Lower Housing Costs https://nlihc.org/resource/harris-campaign-releases-plans-lower-housing-costs [3] Harris has proposed a slew of economic policies. Here's a look at ... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/harris-has-proposed-a-slew-of-economic-policies-heres-a-look-at-whats-in-them [4] Kamala Harris' New Economic Plan Is a Win for Climate, Clean ... https://www.evergreenaction.com/blog/kamala-harris-new-economic-plan-is-a-win-for-climate-clean-energy-manufacturing-and-the-middle-class-14 [5] Biden-Harris Administration Announces $6 Billion to Transform ... https://www.energy.gov/articles/biden-harris-administration-announces-6-billion-transform-americas-industrial-sector [6] FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Announces New ... https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2024/10/16/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-new-commitments-to-bolster-innovative-and-clean-construction-materials-across-the-united-states/ [7] Kamala Harris reaches agreement on transition planning with Biden ... https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/kamala-harris-reaches-agreement-on-transition-planning-with-biden-administration-no-word-on-trump-yet/articleshow/113606134.cms [8] Kamala Harris' Economic Platform: What We Know - Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/10/14/what-to-know-about-kamala-harris-economic-agenda-as-she-announces-new-proposals-for-black-men/
Right, so you expect me to believe that your own wilful ignorance is also her fault?