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[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not talking about becoming a democracy, I'm talking about *improving *and modernizing their democracies. As well as, well, voting for and enacting all the policy examples you listed

[-] simplymath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Or did you mean when US military service members occupied DC to get the GI Bill?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army?wprov=sfla1

[-] simplymath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

no, no. you must mean how school lunch exists because of electoral poltics and not because the original program was started by the black Panthers.

[-] simplymath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

ah ok. In that case, I'll point you to the bombing of a police vehicle that led to the 40 hour work week and an international holiday for workers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair?wprov=sfla1

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And do you think it was the bombers that wrote this into law, or elected politicians?

edit: and why did other countries manage to get it into law a lot faster than the US?

[-] simplymath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think the law is irrelevant without a mass movement. You simply won't get the law without the mass movement.

You can't get from where we are to working class liberation without passing through working class struggle.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sure. Mass movement, politicians, pen, paper, law

Leave one of those out and it probably won't work

[-] simplymath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Also, I need a source about other countries enacting this before the US. In the 1880s, there wasn't exactly a plethora of Democratic governments anywhere. Germany was a brand new idea and so was Italy. France encompassed parts of Spain and Sweden, which was itself an empire with a military dictator. The UK is still a monarchy with colonies that want to secede (namely Jamaica) and the Netherlands is too. Swedish people didn't have surnames yet--they adopted the last name of their employer.

Eastern Europe had serfdom and antisemitic laws were the norm.

I would totally believe the UK got it first, but not without a mass mobilization of working class people.

Seriously, what are you talking about?

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well, the US only enacted it in 1937

So I only have basically all of Europe off the top of my head

[-] simplymath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Right. So it was a 50 year long struggle led by the working class and groups like the Wobblies and your solution is to vote harder?

To what extent can we credit colonial nations like Portugal and the UK and the Netherlands for extending this right exclusively to white people with political capital?

Is it really a "pass" if the comfort of the homeland was predicated on slavery and/or empire elsewhere?

[-] simplymath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe this coal miners strike that was an armed uprising?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

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