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submitted 4 days ago by Katzenmann@feddit.org to c/linux@lemmy.ml

So with the recent drama it looks like bcachefs isn't going to stay in the kernel for too long. What do I do now? I have my root filesystem as bcachefs on multiple devices. Is it possible to migrate to btrfs or ext4?

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[-] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 4 days ago

https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-kernel-bcachefs/

For those of us that are out of the loop.

It's high school level drama. Competent adults will work it out.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I like this response best so far (from the actual mailing list): https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/10576437.nUPlyArG6x@lichtvoll.de/ (from Martin Steigerwald)

Do you really think that power-playing Kent into submission by doing a public apology is doing anything good to resolve the issue at hand?

While it may not really compare to some of the wording Linus has used before having been convinced to change his behavior… I do not agree with the wording Kent has used. I certainly do not condone it.

But this forced public apology approach in my point of view is very likely just to cement the division instead of heal it. While I publicly disagreed with Kent before, I also publicly disagree with this kind of Code of Conduct enforcement. I have seen similar patterns within the Debian community and in my point of view this lead to the loss of several Debian developers who contributed a lot to the project while leaving behind frustration and unresolved conflict.

No amount of power play is going to resolve this. Just exercising authority is not doing any good in here. This needs mediation, not forced public humiliation.

To me, honestly written, this whole interaction feels a bit like I'd imagine children may be fighting over a toy. With a majority of the children grouping together to single out someone who does not appear to fit in at first glance. I mean no offense with that. This is just the impression I got so far. The whole interaction just does not remind me of respectful communication between adult human beings. I have seen it with myself… in situations where it was challenging for me to access what I learned, for whatever reason, I had been acting similarly to a child. So really no offense meant. This is just an impression I got and wanted to mirror back to you for your consideration.

This quote is not the entire response, but most of it. Edit: I totally forgot to include a link. Added now.

[-] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 17 points 4 days ago

power-playing Kent into submission

isn't the issue that kent thinks the kernel guidelines don't apply to him because he's just that good? unless i'm missing something, why should we just let him try to trample the kernel guidelines without even asking for an apology?

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

this is absolutely the issue… the specific thing he did is irrelevant: you play by the rules, or you gtfo… it doesn’t matter how valuable your contributions are, if you can’t treat people with respect that leads to a toxic culture that eats at the project from the inside

linus was renowned for his insults… he realised (or was told; doesn’t matter at this point) that that behaviour was inappropriate, and his behaviour is now more tempered because it’s important to be able to ensure everyone feels like their work is valued and they’re not just shoveling shit for someone else

and i say this all as someone who is absolutely ecstatic about the prospect of bcachefs and think that his code is among the most important being contributed in the past years and for the next few years: WE NEED A NEW STABLE FILESYSTEM more than almost anything… but if you allow bad behaviour, it erodes the collaborative culture and you just can not allow that in the largest collaborative software project humanity has ever created

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago

When other devs can force a CoC on the actual creator of Linux, that's when you know they've gone to far. It's his, wtf should anyone else get a say in how it's governed?

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

If he can’t abide by his own rules, than what are the rules for?

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 17 hours ago

It's not his own rules, they were imposed on him by snowflakes.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 2 days ago

it’s absolutely not his. he is a major and important contributor and person in the community, but linux belongs to humanity and to the community that has now written far more of linux than linus has

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

The hell it isn't. It wouldn't exist if he didn't start the entire thing. He birthed it. At best, anyone else has only contributed to it.

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