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[alt text: a screenshot of a tweet by @delaney_nolan, which says, "Biden/Harris saw this polling and decided to keep unconditionally arming Israel". Below the tweet is a screenshot from an article, which states: "In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they'd be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they'd be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely."]

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 9 hours ago

Nah. I'm blaming our American people for this shit. Isreal or not, it was absolutely stupid and embarrassing to let that senile dumbass back into the white house. I would have rather had a slice of buttered bread running the country than this embarrassment.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 46 points 10 hours ago

No, it can be more than one person's fault. It's Harris's fault, and it's also the fault of the people who decided fascism was an acceptable alternative to capitalist liberalism.

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 19 points 9 hours ago

I mean, you could try to understand what led people to that POV, and then build a coalition with those people so we can win next time. Or, we could just sit here and point fingers at each other til the end of time while the GOP continues to court more and more voters to their corner.

I'm all for being angry about this. It's the day after the election, I've been anxious all day. It sucks. But let's point our ire at the correct people: the Republicans that voted for Trump, and the Harris Campaign that did a piss poor job of courting undecided voters.

[-] HumbleFlamingo@beehaw.org 23 points 9 hours ago

so we can win next time

Assuming we get a next time. There's a non-zero chance we never get anything beyond sham federal elections from now on. They own the supreme court, and the supreme court has shown it doesn't give a fuck.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 10 points 9 hours ago

There is no next time. Don't you understand? The people who hated Harris more than they hated fascism, voted in a dictatorship. The goal from here isn't to win the next election, it's to get our trans friends out and start a revolution. Trump's reign will only be ended by violence. We aren't getting centrists' and moderates' help with that. They are the enemy. They are the complicit citizens of a nation we are going to war with. Some of them will try to stop us, and we need to be prepared to kill them.

[-] Thevenin@beehaw.org 53 points 11 hours ago

They made their decisions and you made yours. If you decided that we'd be better off with Trump, that's on you. Own it.

Putting Trump in office makes Gaza worse. He's promised us as much. Maybe you proved a point to the Democrats, and maybe you didn't. Maybe now they'll lean even harder to the center. Who knows. That's a gamble you took, and you made steep sacrifices to make that gamble.

Gambling with someone's life to make a political point does not make you their ally.

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 18 points 9 hours ago

I'm sorry, did you personally count my ballot? Or are you just making assumptions about me?

[-] liss_up@beehaw.org 27 points 11 hours ago

I'll remember how this was all Kamala's fault when Trump starts rounding people up. I'm sure it will bring me great comfort. I'm also sure it will bring great comfort to the people of Palesine because Trump DEFINITELY isn't going to keep arming Israel, and we know he's way more susceptible to public pressure than Harris would have been.

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 10 points 9 hours ago

I'll also accept cursing Trump voters, as it is obvious that they will never be allies.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 36 points 12 hours ago

I'm sure the trans people whose lives are now in danger will sleep much better tonight knowing that the blood of those Palestinian children who are going to continue dying because Donald Trump has promised not to even try for a ceasefire isn't on your hands, because you didn't vote for Kamala Harris.

I hope you're fucking happy.

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 9 points 9 hours ago

I'm sorry, did you personally check my ballot?

[-] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 103 points 14 hours ago

This is absolute bullsh1t.

Trump has repeatedly said Netanyahu can do as he pleases, has repeatedly disparaged all Muslims, has repeatedly shown a political kinship with dictatorships.

Biden/Harris were protest targets in spite of it being the entirety of Congress that votes on/gives foreign aid because these protests were propaganda bent on disenfranchising Democrats and nothing else. The protests will wither to nothing now that pants-sh1tter rapist is going to be president.

You were duped. You fell for it. Gaza has zero chance now.

[-] InevitableList@beehaw.org 45 points 13 hours ago

You have to convince people to vote for you, you can't just rely on them voting against the other candidate. That's why voter turnout was lower than previous elections.

How many more elections will Democrats have to lose before they'll lean this lesson?

[-] azdalen@beehaw.org 49 points 13 hours ago

Not voting for KH & TW is saying that a fully-fascist America is A-OK with you. Full stop. There really isn't any way you can justify voting otherwise.

[-] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 8 hours ago

I can't believe how often I have to repeat this but: remember the electoral college? Your vote for President only matters if you live in one of a few states. Your full stop is premature.

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[-] Ethereal87@beehaw.org 26 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

So so so many people keep pointing at Trump and saying "But he's the worst/we're all doomed/holy shit you need to vote blue no matter who" and comments about "perfect being the enemy of the good" so we should hold our nose and support Democrats.

I feel like I'm the only person who remembers how hyperbolic we all were about Mitt Romney or John McCain being existential threats to democracy. South Park literally made fun of everybody at the time pointing at how running such a divisive campaign let them distract the public from their real goal of stealing the Hope Diamond (obviously). How many of us would BEG for Romney at the top of the Republican ticket at this point?

So sure, Trump is the threat now. When are we supposed to stop rewarding mediocre neoliberalism then? If it wasn't 2016 or 2020 or 2024 then when? Trump will eventually die and some new Republican will take his place as the leader of the party. EVERY Republican will be the next existential threat and we'll be scolded and told to hold our nose yet again and vote for the Democrat. If someone can tell me the "end date" where I don't have to choose between the lesser of two evils, I'd love to know when that is.

I don't blame other citizens for voting how they do. Everyone has to decide for themselves their red lines for support and in the privacy of the voting booth who they want to support. I do blame Democratic leadership for not learning a single lesson from 2016 about hand picking candidates and browbeating everyone into thinking that's OK.

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 13 points 9 hours ago

You're exactly right, and this is my point. I'd bet damn near everyone commenting in this thread voted for Harris. It doesn't matter, we aren't the swing voters. And the swing voters are the ones that decided this election. There is nothing we can really do to convince swing voters, unless they are already our friends or family. It was Harris's job to come out with bold policy proposals and messages that would convince those swing voters. Instead, she peddled the same milquetoast neolib shit that has been losing Dems elections since the 90s.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 hours ago

Gentle reminder: changing her stance on the Gaza genocide was the "damned if you do" side of the trap that she didn't go for.

Gentle idea: maybe think a few moves ahead. Even the conservatives were.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 85 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

And Trump will be better for Palestinians how exactly? Anyone who prefers inane grandstanding instead of picking the lesser evil (no matter the topic) is a moron. That's how politics work. The ideal candidate doesn't exist and will never exist. If you ever come across one who 100% mirrors every single one of your opinions, get your head examined.

Edit: Also, every single credible poll out there indicates that American voters - idiotically - picked Trump due to their dissatisfaction with the economy. Middle Eastern wars were not high on the list of priorities for most voters.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 24 points 12 hours ago

I blame the people who voted for trump, personally. I'd be happy to watch the leopards eat their faces, but unfortunately we're all stuck with them.

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 46 points 13 hours ago

Hard to see people as allies who are willing to let the world burn because the only other option wasn't perfect. The campaign fucked up, for sure, but every voter that stayed home shares blame in this.

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 7 points 9 hours ago

A lot of people (probably the majority) that stayed home didn't do so because of Gaza. They did so because they are too busy to keep up with the news, and nothing they heard about either candidate was compelling enough to get up off the couch on election night. It was Harris's job to reach and then convince those people.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago

I didn't say Gaza, and it doesnt matter why they couldn't be bothered. Their share remains the same.

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 3 points 8 hours ago

you just have zero empathy for people with busier lives than you? what about people that work a full-time job while caretaking for an ill parent and maybe also raising kids? people that can barely find time to sleep? it was Harris's job to find a way to reach those people, and convince them to make time to vote. she didn't.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago

Goal-post yeeting aside (first "off the couch", now "no time to sleep"?), barring actual factual voter suppression, there's little-to-no valid excuse in the US to not vote at all. Only 3 states have zero early-voting or vote-by-mail options (for now). The thing with democracy is that everyone shares responsibility to take part. Shirking that responsibility doesn't absolve anyone of guilt, more so the opposite. Now democracy very well may not be an option again, so no, I'm not going to spend much time empathizing with the people that enabled that.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 52 points 14 hours ago

I steadfastly refuse to accept an apology on behalf of single-issue voters. Those abstentions and/or third party protest votes got us here. Anyone who refused to coalesce around (or at least hold their nose and vote for) the biggest "not Trump" candidate was failing to see or even acknowledge the bigger picture and larger threat. And now we all have to pay for that.

The electoral votes in a state go to the single candidate with the most votes. "Not Trump" was not a candidate. Furthermore, a third party candidate was never going to win. So, I will absolutely blame these so-called "allies" as I find them to be worse than the people who voted for Trump (at least they were honest about what they were doing).

I sincerely hope there is a future election where they have learned something from this. In the mean time, good luck everyone.

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[-] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 12 hours ago

Fuck that, I'm blaming every single person that didn't vote for Harris

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 7 points 9 hours ago

I mean, if you're referring to the people that voted for Trump, I'm right there with you. It's absolutely mind-boggling that a rapist and convicted felon won the popular vote.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 hours ago

The majority of population aren't the ones who voted for Trump. The majority of the population didn't vote at all.

[-] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, they are just as guilty as the ones that voted for Trump (and the ones that voted third party) in my book

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