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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lvxferre@lemmy.ml to c/snoocalypse@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/233339

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Not much else needs to be said tbh. Fuck Spez. // Edit: Not sure why imgur marked the album as NSFW, but there's nothing NSFW in it other than the name of one of the mods including the word "removed"

Personal comment: the critter isn't even dead but the vultures are already flying in circles around it. I certainly do not envy their situation, I bet that the users will treat them like shit.

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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 year ago

And I bet those power mods are frothing at the mouth at the idea of having more power.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

So weird to spend all day working for Reddit for free just so Spez can make more money. It’s one thing to mod one or two communities, but anything else is like a full time job.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

It made sense under the framework that they were your communities and reddit was just the host, but now that everyone knows that to be a lie you'd have to be ridiculously self hating to continue to do that for free

[-] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I think they are absolutely 100% getting kickbacks in some forms. Not necessarily monetary. My basis is that years ago when I was very active in my corners of the internet I got tons of stuff just for knowing the right people. I was far from any sort of power mod. Reddit power mod is much higher profile. So there's no way they aren't getting benefits.

Another thing is I've been on reddit since early on. I lurked a community that was a few hundred subscribers. Today it is over a hundred thousand. I know the familiar usernames and the little cliques of their inner circles. Over the years there have been a few promotional giveaways on the subreddit. Coincidentally the familiar usernames won the prizes. It was rigged. Had to be.

Maybe most reddit mods work for free. The mod of that random little subreddit? Probably working for free. The power users though? There's no doubt in my mind they've been getting compensations. The power users want reddit to continue succeeding to their benefit (whatever it maybe) as much as reddit needs them to keep working.

[-] Jimmni@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Most do literally nothing for the vast majority of subs they mod.

Sometimes even just one is a massive chore, depending how large/brigaded it is.

[-] SrElsewhere@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Don't sweat the small stuff. It's dead. Let it go.

[-] harmonea@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

You're posting "so what, who cares" on a community specifically dedicated to watching the reddit implosion. What do you think would be more appropriate content for this community?

(If your answer is "nothing, let it go" then maybe you should block the community instead of what's tantamount to complaining that it exists?)

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

It is not dead, it's still moving! Oh wait it's because insects are carrying its body.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I hope that guy enjoys the 3 years of Reddit Premium he has left....

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Don't worry. Reddit will find a way to ban him for "violating the code of conduct" and shorten those three years to just three months.

[-] moonmeow@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

lol reddit, forgot about that place.

[-] sblanziko@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

What if new mods volunteers go continuously rogue after being assigned to the job?

[-] garam@lemmy.my.id 4 points 1 year ago

It will be fun to look at. Free drama without screen writer.

[-] db2@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

I've been called a power mod more than a few times, I promise they don't want me. 😈

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

That doesn't work with posts or comments, as each instance assigns a different number.

[-] NightAuthor@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I wonder how much work it would be to make that a hash and make it so that it’s the same across instances

[-] sethboy66@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

I could see a system being both easy, and hard to implement; Without thinking about it too much, it'd require a hash table filled with every single already-used key that is always perfectly synced with every other instance regardless of each instance's chosen federated instances.

Best bet might be to just have a non-linear, randomly chosen, hash with a fixed key-length backed by a very large keyspace. This could effectively defeat the need for perfect syncing due to a greatly decreased chance of collision over short periods of time (statistically covering any minute-or-two long desyncs).

[-] TehPers@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

They could just go with UUIDs. Assuming all servers choose actually random UUIDs, the probability of a collision is astronomically low. Even if a server tries to maliciously "claim" UUIDs, that server could be defederated from, and the number of UUIDs it'd be able to eat is similarly tiny in comparison.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I mean the goal would be to link the IDs across all instances. Rather than having different numbers and running a calculation into a table that links the IDs, you could just have a table, or better yet just have the same ID.

The issue probably lies in creation of new IDs. Different instances may have to be allocated a block of IDs, so that they can create new IDs without conflicting with any other instance.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If youvwant that you'd be using public key cryptography and having the user hold a private key

[-] TehPers@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

The idea behind UUIDs is that there are so many (128 bits) that you don't need to worry about allocating blocks or anything. Each post gets a random UUID, that's its ID, and it's propagated along with the post so other instances can reuse that UUID.

[-] db2@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

If each instance can have a unique prefix then there's zero chance of collision.

XXXXXXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXXXXXXXXX

If those first 8 are the prefix that's room for over 4.2 billion unique instances, which is more than half the population of the whole planet. Do you think there'll be that many?

[-] Paradox@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago

Not necessarily. A hash of the body/url+timestamp would always point to the same place, and could be calculated on the fly.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

So every comment and post would have a calculation and entry into a table, and this would be done by every instance every time one instance creates a new comment or post? That sounds like a massive unnecessary overhead.

Just use the same ID across all instances. Hell, they could just do https://inst.ance/post/number@inst.ance

[-] db2@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

This is redundant but is better than the uuid thing, even though it's redundant.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I love how your use of the word redundant demonstrated redundancy.

I still think a table and extra processing is wasteful and uneccesary. Rather, instances should just do what they do with communities and users.

The host instance decides the number. Remote instances use that number followed by @instance. This already fits in with the federated model, as posts are always on the community's local instance originally, and comments are always on the user's local instance originally.

If you're on lemmy.one and reply to a post in a community in lemmy.world, that post should be lemmy.world's number @lemmy.world, then your comment should be lemmy.one's number @lemmy.one, rather than each instance picking its own sequential number for both.

This kind of thing would probably be the easiest change to implement while requiring minimal server overhead.


For a specific example, to me, this post is https://lemm.ee/post/1726780. In the original, federated instance, the post is https://lemmy.ml/post/2308622. Instead, it should appear to me as https://lemm.ee/post/2308622@lemmy.ml.

Your comment, to me, is https://lemm.ee/comment/1409174. The federated link is https://lemmy.one/comment/1393053. This is the link you see, and should continue to see, but I should see https://lemm.ee/comment/1393053@lemmy.one.

Using the instance in the numbering scheme means each federated host instance manages its own numbering while ensuring there will never be a clash between instances. https://lemm.ee/comment/1393053@lemmy.one and https://lemm.ee/comment/1393053 would refer to two completely different comments. This information is already being transmitted in the process of federation, so it's just a matter of tagging the data when it's received.

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