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submitted 8 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

The economy is fine! We just have... money dysmorphia. /s

The gaslighting is at warp speed now.

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[-] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago

Gaslighting? Did you read the article? It doesn’t say that the economy is fine. It’s about how social media makes people feel shitty about how much money they (don’t) have, because they see so many people living glamorous lives online.

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago

Roughly 43% of Gen Z and 41% of millennials struggle with comparisons to others and feel behind financially

This is the kind of attribution they are making, that its just a psychological condition and not an actual endemic issue that needs to be addressed.

I can definitely see why the term "gaslighting" was used

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Sir, 50% of the population has this virus called COVID."

"It's just a virology condition and not an actual endemic issue that needs to be addressed."

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

To know how endemic it is to younger gens, we would need a baseline and to know the prevalence in prior gens.

I suspect that the progression of social media and influencers has amplified a false lifestyle perspective — the same as tv and ads/consumerism would've amplified them for prior gens — but I haven't seen any large cross sectional or generational studies; only ones that are, at best, anecdotal.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Purchasing power of different generations tells you everything you need to know - there's zero ambiguity in this - things have objectively got far worse and far more unequal since the 70's.

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[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

It also says that people are doing far better than they think according to those who actually service these customers.

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Well I'm not young but I haven't been able to afford to go to the dentist in twenty years so I'd say that's quantifiably shitty.

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[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago

Our entire economic system is out of balance, debt is rampant in the midst of late-stage capitalism, and they come up with the term "money dysmorphia". 🤡

[-] alyth@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago
[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Its balanced exactly as the owner class wants: conveying all wealth and value into their coffers.

We pretend its broken, but its doing exactly what the elites want it to.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 50 points 8 months ago

You're not getting paid too little, you are just money dysmorphic, get back to work

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

It has to be either or. There can't possibly be multiple factors in play at the same time.

[-] june@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

There are definitely multiple factors.

But money dysmorphia isn’t one of them.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

This is a muddled message. Are we caught up chasing an illusion, or are we just more acutely aware of our poor condition?

It reads like it is saying the former, but then quotes statistics that reflect real loss of buying power. On the coasts 100k is no longer a large income. People really do live paycheck to paycheck while carefully managing their spending.

I'm inclined to at least partially acknowledge the gaslighting comment as plausible.

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[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Was it always the case that I would be turned down from multiple studio apartment complexes because I ONLY make ~100k a year? I cant afford spending the 2200 a month on rent and that being 33% or lower so I get denied. Has this always been the case or am I having money dismorphia? I'm only making 2X the median single income salary.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

You aren't a trust fund kid, that's who's getting all the rentals.

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[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

Median roperty prices have increased more than 600% relative to median wages in the past 50 years where I'm from. Now, on 2 incomes, I'm trying to buy a modest apartment in that pumped market, and I'm bidding against downsizers and investors that were the beneficiaries of all that growth after buying a house that cost less than my deposit.

Now these motherfuckers call us lazy and gaslight us, saying everything is fine? Noah, fuck the boat - we're building guillotines.

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I've just come to the conclusion I will never own anything new or at all really.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Don't give up yet, all it takes is a little billionaire blood on the street and things will change.

[-] Steve@communick.news 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Only 14% of Americans consider themselves wealthy

Only 14%? I'm shocked it's that high!

I thought "Wealthy" was when the passive income of the money you already have, pays more than you typically spend.
Basically when you can "Live off the interest alone."

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I thought “Wealthy” was when the passive income of the money you already have, pays more than you typically spend. Basically when you can “Live off the interest alone.”

I see your version of more of "Financial Independent". Aka "Fuck you money". At that level you don't need to work anymore for a decent life, but you're not living in what most would consider wealthy luxury. If you need a refresher on "fuck you money" I refer you to this primer (language warning).

"Wealthy" is when you have "Financial Independent", and you don't have to look at prices of anything before you buy it. At the lowest tier of "wealthy" $100 is like $1. To the highest tier, there is no likely object on Earth that is outside of their reach.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

Someone please punch the writers for this shit.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In fact, more than half of Americans earning more than $100,000 a year say they live paycheck to paycheck, another report by LendingClub found.

I think it'd be interesting to see what would happen if some states had personal finance classes in their curriculum and some didn't, see if there is a measurable impact down the line.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Personal finance classes probably would have a non-negligble impact on the people that just mindless spend and don't save for retirement etc.

But I would think also that the wildly inflated housing and child care costs and the inelastic demand between the two means just an unexpected health emergency or unanticipated home maintenance spending would leave a family in debt and living paycheck to paycheck until its paid off.

[-] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

If you're making $100K you probably have a college degree and therefore student loans to pay as well.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

The problem isn't 40+ years of stagnant wages and corporate greed, it's because people need classes on how to be poor correctly.

That's how you sound right now.

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[-] Dry_Monk@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

I don't know why you're so upset at the article. Every time I compare myself to the Joneses I feel all sorts of inadequacy. /S

The issue is not with people feeling inadequate. The issue is fully with wealth inequality.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

I count myself blessed for having earlier made the realization that I value financial security way more than the shiny new thing. What I also realized that often it's not the shiny new thing where all my money goes to but it's the repeating expenses from that daily starbucks coffee to groceries and utilities. If you find a way to save there it'll start accumulating quickly.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

That's a big if.

A huge percentage of Americans (my family included) live paycheck-to-paycheck. There's little or nothing left to save. They have everything from student loans to medical debts.

Criticizing someone for spending a few dollars a day on coffee to make their life a little more bearable is placing the criticism on the wrong party. You should be angry that anyone should have to make such unnecessary sacrifices. You should be angry that we can't all get the shiny new thing if we want it.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Rightwing scum will do anything except admit their system doesn't work.

[-] homura1650@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Are we still complaining about Starbucks? Let's call it $7 for a coffee. That comes to about $2555 a year. Sounds like a lot of money.

Say I wanted to buy a house. The median home price in the start of 2020 was $329000. End of 2023, it was $417,700 (down from its peak). An increase of $88,700. Assuming a down payment of 20%, your median down payment went up buy $17,740. Almost 7 years worth of Starbucks. In just 3 years.

But wait. Interest rates also changed. Assuming the same %20 down payment, your principle increased by $70,960. The 30 year mortgage over that time went up from around %3.72 to %6.66. An increase of about %2.9. The increased interest on the increased principle is about $2,057; so I guess your Starbucks habbit would cover that.

Of course, that is a strange metric. You pay the full %6.66 on the increased principle. The %2.9 is the additional interest you pay on the original principle. So your annual interest payments went up by $12,358 just for delaying your purchase by 3 years. If you cut off your 4.8 starbucks coffees a day addiction, you'll be able to afford this increase.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MORTGAGE30US

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hey, you do you. If $2555 isn't a lot of money to you then you're in the 0.1% of people. Most of us aren't in a privlidged position like that so being able to cut down in repeating small expenses like that is going to have a massive effect on our personal finances. 2.5k is about what I earn in a month. I like coffee too but not so much that I'd be willing to work for a month to pay for it. That amount of money covers my groceries for 4 months. Seems like better value for my money.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 9 points 8 months ago

Overwhelming evidence suggests social media has a negative effect on self-esteem.

That's all they really need to say - it will clearly have an impact on how people perceive their own looks and lifestyle when they're likely doing fine. I'm not sure they need to invent a new phrase to describe it.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

gestures rudely at "writers" behind this

[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I believe the article. My junior coworkers that are young fresh out of college grads landing 100k salary feel behind. Median us household income is like 78k. The article is about the psychological impact. Although I don't doubt that there's people struggling and inflation and wage stagnation are real, I think we shouldn't doubt that what this article describes as money dysmorphia isn't also real.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah there are people who earn a lot but are absolutely shit at managing their income. No wonder large chunk of them are also influenced by what they see on social media.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 8 months ago

Ah so I only think I can't buy something listed for $10 with only $5. Thanks for the tip. Gonna go put it into practice.

[-] wkk@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Ever heard of CREDIT? /s

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