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submitted 4 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Summary

Russia was excluded from Trump’s sweeping tariff list due to existing U.S. sanctions that limit trade, White House officials claimed.

Despite lower trade volumes, countries like Syria were still included, prompting skepticism.

Trump has prioritized ending the war in Ukraine and threatened 50% tariffs on nations buying Russian oil. Russian state media framed the omission as sanctions-based, not favoritism, with some mocking Trump’s harsher stance on allies.

Ukraine, meanwhile, faces a 10% tariff despite the country’s strategic partnership with the U.S.

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[-] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 53 points 4 months ago

He certainly isn't trying to beat those "Russian asset" allegations is he?

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

Julius Rosenberg (May 12, 1918 – June 19, 1953) and Ethel Rosenberg (née Greenglass; September 28, 1915 – June 19, 1953) were an American married couple who were convicted of spying for the Soviet Union, including providing top-secret information about American radar, sonar, jet propulsion engines, and nuclear weapon designs. Convicted of espionage in 1951, they were executed by the federal government of the United States in 1953 using New York's state execution chamber in Sing Sing in Ossining,[1] New York

America used to have standards.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Funny you bring up that couple, because the lack of standards has a through line here.

A man named Roy Cohn was the prosecutor, and he wheeled and dealed to make sure that both Rosenbergs got the death penalty, even if the evidence was a bit weak, especially the evidence against Ethel. Cohn got witnesses to change their story so that he could push to kill Ethel.

Cohn then went on to help Joseph McCarthy run the Red, and Lavender Scares.

And then, later still, Roy Cohn would tutor Donald Trump in the art of personally attacking anyone who tried to enforce the law against him.

The piece of shit finally died of HIV,

[-] Flemmy@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

And a whole nation's gotta take it in the behind for this. Classic king of the hill stuff.

[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago

But uninhabited islands are

[-] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All that time and money invested in agent Krasnov is really paying off.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Cuba, Belarus and North Korea were also not included

At least they're being consistent. If Biden had excluded Russia along with those countries from some global economic policy, I wouldn't be suspicious.

[-] joekar1990@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's probably dumber than you think why they weren't on there. The formula they used to come up with the countries tarrifs rate is based simply on trade deficit calculations. So if you aren't exporting/importing from those countries they wouldn't be included. It doesn't even matter if there was a trade surplus.

For example, take the figures for China:

  • Goods trade deficit: $291.9bn
  • Total goods imports: $438.9bn
  • 291.9/438.9 = 0.67, or 67%
  • And halved = 34%

Sources:

https://www.ft.com/content/e025d7e6-512d-4e82-9c25-7900b94ac153

https://news.sky.com/story/do-trumps-tariff-numbers-add-up-after-liberation-day-announcement-13340903

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/trumps-idiotic-and-flawed-tariff-calculations-stun-economists

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 9 points 4 months ago

This can't explain the exclusion of Russia, since the entirely uninhabited Heard and McDonald Islands got their own entry on the list. There cannot be a trade balance with a place where nobody lives. The islands got the "base rate" of 10%, so for Russia to have been excluded there has to have been another reason

[-] joekar1990@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Honestly they probably plugged it into Grok and asked it to spit out the list of countries to tariff.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

I don't see how that's related to excluding particular countries.

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Yeah, sanctioned countries didn't make the list. It's that simple.

Did Somalia make the list either? No. Same reason.

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, sanctioned countries didn't make the list.

Iran and Syria made the list.

[-] Nusm@yall.theatl.social 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Read all about it in this month’s riveting issue of Duh.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Shocked I say. Shocked that Putin's puppet is not putting Tariffs on someone that is trying to take over another country.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

Uninhabited islands: tariffs

Allies: tariffs

Israel: believe it or not, tariffs

Russia: crickets

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

FFS people, sanctioned countries were not included. Somalia, Burkina Faso....also not included.

Let them deal in baseless conspiracy. Please deal in fact here.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

However, nations with even less trade with the US - such as Syria, which exported $11m of products last year according to UN data quoted by Trading Economics - were on the list.

According to the Office of the US Trade Representative, the US imported goods from Russia worth $3.5bn (£2.7bn) in 2024. It mainly consisted of fertilisers, nuclear fuel and some metals, according to Trading Economics and Russian media.

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yep, it's fertilizer and related exempt at inputs. Prior to the war trade with Russian was closer to $30B.

The trade sanctions exist outside of tariff policy, so it's probably too complicated for ChatGPT (and therefore these clowns) to sort out easily.

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

Let them deal in baseless conspiracy

so it's probably too complicated for ChatGPT

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

There's a possibility that someone used an LLM to formulate the tariff percentages. That's not baseless, there's evidence based on replication and similar language in the USTR site.

Which makes it a funny joke to suggest that they did the entire tariff plan top to bottom in ChatGPT.

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

There's also a much stronger possibility that Trump simply didn't want to piss off Putin.

Why are you trying to find a more complicated answer?

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Less complicated is:

"Tariff rates go brrrrrr"

"But it's hard to add this to sanctioned countries because it involves doing work."

'Then don't, lol, FTW. Tell Grok to leave them out."

Grok and all appointees involved are idiots

"Here's a list of important places that need tariffs."

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

FFS people, sanctioned countries were not included

Iran and Syria were included.

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

And so were uninhabited islands. I'm not saying these people are geniuses. I'm saying that Grok probably said to skip sanctioned countries and they got that mostly right.

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

Or, much more simply, Trump didn't want to make Putin mad.

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

So then why did Somalia or Burkina Faso not make the list? Does Putin care about them? Not really.

Occam's razor here is pretty easy to see as "Sanctioned counties, and we missed two."

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

That wasn't a comprehensive list, just 2 off the jump.

So no, the simpler answer is that sanctions simply aren't a factor. They didn't list every country on the planet.

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Sure, whatever you need to believe with no evidence to support it. At least a 80% correlation with the sanctions list mes a touch of sense.

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

Claiming that Trump is constantly kissing Putin's ass isn't a conspiracy. It's not even a secret...

Sure, whatever you need to believe with no evidence to support it

So where's your evidence that the list of countries was generated by AI?

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

There's a pretty comprehensive article on The Verge outlining the likelihood of it bring probable.

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago
[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago
[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Still waiting for you to admit you were wrong.

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

And wait more you shall ;)

[-] null@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 months ago

Did you read it yet?

[-] null@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

Come on, it's not that long. You must have seen how utterly wrong you are by now.

[-] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lol the irony...

Of course I know what article you were talking about. Go ahead and read it again and then quote me where it says anything about generating a list of countries that somehow leaves out Russia.

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