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Top Trump official Stephen Miller's recent declaration that anyone who "preaches hate for America" will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.

Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.

The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump's platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller's is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.

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[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 136 points 1 week ago

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt

[-] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren't joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.

They've been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling "liberalism a mental disorder."

Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA's the push to destroy America

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[-] colforge@lemmy.world 106 points 1 week ago

Fuck you Mr Miller. Fuck what you and yours are doing to my country. I hate it. I fucking dare you to deport me.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

I hate America tbh have not stood for the anthem in over a decade.

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[-] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 89 points 1 week ago

Personally, I love this country. I fought for it. I will not bow to fascist twats such as this.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 38 points 1 week ago

I, too, love what the USA should be and can be. This is my home, they are my people. I am staying right here.

[-] colforge@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

I’ve never for a second planned on going anywhere but if they want to try and deport me I’ll happily spit in the faces of all my relatives who act like this shit would never happen and leftists are full of it for saying it would. It’s fucking happening. It’s fucking happening right now.

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[-] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 week ago

Yup, America is officially a fascist state. They just admit they are full on Nazis now. Never in my lifetime I thought America will turn into that and here we are. It's fucking wild, like I'm living in some alternate timeline of Wolfenstein The New Colossus. Just wild.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 55 points 1 week ago

Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.

Oh good, you're finally awake. Let's get you caught up on the last six months.

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[-] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, Neo Goebbels, you'll get yours.

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[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 week ago

critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.

I dunno folks. we certainly don't have any other examples of Trump policies or behavior that might support this notion. I'm glad they are just "increasingly questioning" it.

Maybe when the concentration camps start showing up on US soil that will be enough.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

They're not going to be on US soil. There's a reason the Nazis built there's in foreign soil as well. If people are being rounded up into camps, they really have nothing to lose at that point. If you build them on US soil, you legitimately have to worry about crowds of heavily armed Americans showing up to liberate people from them. If you're going to get sent to a camp anyway, you have nothing to lose taking up arms against them. It's a lot more difficult to try and liberate a concentration camp in El Salvador.

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[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 39 points 1 week ago

We need to ratchet this up, actually. Not just those who hate America. but those who have publicly declared in the last 12 years that America is anything less than great. Citizen or not, if we have record of you declaring America is not great, I want you gone. Start with the ones who said it loudest and to the biggest crowds.

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[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 38 points 1 week ago

I love America… I fucking hate Trump, MAGA and the GOP.

[-] RootAccess@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 week ago

As we all know, a person defines themselves through their actions. So does a country.

Imho, saying Trump(ism) isn't America is like people who do evil, but still think they are good people. Admitting you have a problem is the first step in getting better. You need to hate what America has become. Shifting the blame to the current administration just lets people feel good about themselves. They shouldn't. There is work to do.

The second step is meeting up with others in your community already working to fix it.

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[-] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Make America Free Again!!!

[-] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

America gave you Trump, MAGA and the GOP.

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[-] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

Some worried the administration was veering into an authoritarian territory.

Yeah no fucking shit. It has been happening since he got into office you fucking dipshits.

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Americans have proved that their “we need guns to stand up to an oppressive government” talk was just that, talk.

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[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Come get me asshole! I’ve hated this place since cancers like you were allowed to infect our politics.

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[-] thatchemguy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

What a dumpster fire this country is rn so sorry for you Americans 💀🙏

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[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Why do Americans still talk about the constitution like it means something or is still relevant?

Your constitution is GONE. It's a historical artifact. It has no meaning in today's America.

All that matters now is the whim of the emotional toddler in the White House. Get used to it. He's not going until he's dead.

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

This is my country. I don't hate the country but the trash humans who have grifted their way into power. Just like a nasty shit they to will pass into the sewers.

[-] p3n@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

I can hardly believe that we have devolved so far, so quickly. We are literally one step away from becoming an authoritarian dictatorship. The plan is this:

  1. Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) immigrants. These immigrants will mostly be legitimately illegal and gang associated criminals, but there will be a few individuals with legal standing and no criminal records. This could simply be the result of denying due process, or it could be an intentional test. The important factor is that 5th Amendment Due process rights are denied to all of them. The fact that these people (but be sure to de-humanize them as much as possible) are immigrants will be the distracting factor. <---- We are here

  2. Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) criminals. These will be legitimate criminals with legitimately horrible records; that will be the distracting issue that will be made the focus of the argument: "They are serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, we don't want them here, so we should get rid of them." This has already been announced as the plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUfrwWz-m5I . That is not the point! The point is that they are still U.S. citizens, despite their crimes. The significance of this is that it will be the final barrier that needs to be broken, and the final protection that must be dismantled for the final solution to be enacted. If no one steps up and successfully defends the constitutional rights of these American citizens, then all the pieces will be in place for step 3.

  3. Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) political dissidents, rivals, business opponents, and maybe just anyone the administration doesn't like. If they are political dissidents they will claim that they have committed crimes like, "hate speech against America(TM)", if they are a minority, they will be "associated with gangs", if they are business rivals it will have committed "economic terrorism", or something like that. It doesn't really matter because they eliminated due process in step 1 (remember that was the important factor, not the immigrant dis-tractor), and without due process they don't have to prove any crimes. Our last defense would have been the simple fact that we are American Citizens, but we established that doesn't matter in step 2 because they were "bad people", but now the "bad people" are whoever the administration decides is bad.

The context of the 5th amendment is important to understand its intent:

Historically, the Fifth Amendment draws significant influence from English common law. The grand jury clause specifically dates back to the Magna Carta, and was designed to protect accused persons from prosecution by the English royalty. In keeping with that intention, the Constitution’s framers opted to adapt the grand jury to the Constitution, so as to protect citizens from prosecution by the federal government.
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Even in a Monarchy, which is not the form of government we are supposed to have, the Magna Carta offered protections against the King from prosecuting commoners, which is the origin of this amendment. We aren't just devolving to pre-revolution America, which had enough disagreements with the rule of King George III that it sparked a war...no we are devolving to a pre-Magna Carta England type of Government. We are descending into middle-age feudalism with complete authoritarian rule.... and we aren't fortunate enough to have a dictator like Alfred the Great.

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[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 20 points 1 week ago

bell riots were a few months off but surprisingly accurate timing.

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is time to open up the bullet box. The conservatives are going to attempt imprisoning or killing any North American who doesn't bend the knee.

[-] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 20 points 1 week ago

There is no hate in 'muh-ri-ca

[-] match@pawb.social 20 points 1 week ago

america means freedom and diversity and immigrants. the trump administration hates america

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

If they destroy the first, use the second. That's why it was ratified!

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago

anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation

welp that's most of my posts

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[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

Here goes nothing:

Fuck Trump and his cronies of his so-called "administration"!

It was nice knowing all of you.

[-] Liberteez@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

Free means all.

Rise, or fall.

[-] Auzy@aussie.zone 14 points 1 week ago

Put Trump and his family on the first boat then..

[-] TON618@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If America wants people to stop hating, maybe instead of trying to wipe it's ass with the first amendment, it should stop cultivating hate with it's actions.

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[-] fireduck@lem.trashbrain.org 14 points 1 week ago

Skipping the first amendment would be making some speech illegal. With like a law and courts. They are also skipping the 5th, which would be due process.

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[-] mx_smith@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

This kind of speech that Miller is speaking sounds very unamerican to me, so let’s deport him first.

[-] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago
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[-] runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

Hands off rally is Saturday. Over 400 participating cities.https://www.axios.com/2025/04/15/50501-protests-saturday-trump

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[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

Wow, what a dumb thing to claim when you have surrounded yourself with “free speech absolutists”. They are going to lose it on him, right? …. Right?

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

The only constitution the fascists care about is the Rapist's daily constitutional.

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[-] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

CANADA. Take note!! Get out and vote!!

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