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[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 192 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Before anyone gets too excited, the headline is clickbait. The bigger Chinese phone brands are looking into de-googled Android. They are still going to use Android.

several prominent Chinese smartphone manufacturers, including Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, and OnePlus, are exploring the possibility of developing versions of the Android operating system that do not rely on Google Mobile Services.

Chinese laptop makers are also in search of an OS that isn't Windows. Queue a race to prop Linux with Android support on that side of things.

[-] LMurch@thelemmy.club 75 points 1 week ago

de-Googled android sounds even better. The story is cooler than the title!

[-] eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 1 week ago

I like your spirit, but I don't think a Chinese equivalent to Google Play Services would be more desirable

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

de-Googled android sounds even better.

They are already degoogled for the Chinese market. What the Chinese Android variants to not have is a shared replacement for Play Services and a shared app store because everyone is doing their own thing for maps API, payment, ...

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I run that already with CalyxOS. I dig it.

[-] agitated_judge@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago

It also says:

It is currently unknown whether these companies would aim for compatibility with existing Android apps or follow the path of Huawei's latest HarmonyOS NEXT, which removes Android app support entirely

So, it's not clear yet.

[-] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 1 week ago

The US/China decoupling is happening everywhere.

[-] libra00@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

The front line is everywhere, there be no shelter here.

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[-] troed@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

Waydroid is pretty nice, integrating the Android apps as regular apps in the Linux UI.

[-] network_switch@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Waydroid is very close to greatness. My major hope there is Valve contributions to Waydroid for probable Steam Deck integration will make it incredibly seamless. There’s also the Android Translation Layer being developed

https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer

[-] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

de-googled Android you say?

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[-] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 week ago

KDE connect is already pretty sweet

[-] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 96 points 1 week ago

We need phones with standard Linux. Without strange "Java only mediator" or something. Just a normal OS.

Android is a pain in the ass.

[-] redlemace@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Exact! And please no bloatware!!

Oh wait, before anything else : NO, and I really mean NO AI and/or VR shit. Just none. None A T A L L

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

So you exclusively want ai. Got it.

-Microsoft, probably

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

Clippie coming right up!

[-] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Dude, you get free third party bullshit with every update. What’s not to love?

[-] tal@lemmy.today 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't believe that they're likely to do GNU/Linux. I bet that they're going to do a fork of Android off AOSP or something like that.

Android's had a huge amount of work put into it to make it suitable to be a consumer mobile phone OS, and the companies here aren't doing this because they want stuff that GNU/Linux does, but rather because they're Chinese companies worried about a US-China industrial decoupling and its risks for them. Like, they were okay with the technical status; what changed was that they started to worry about having the rug pulled out from them.

That being said, I can at least imagine that helping GNU/Linux phone adoption. So, think about what happened with video games. There were some major platforms out there -- MacOS, iOS, Windows, various consoles, Android, GNU/Linux. That fragmented the market. Trying to port software to all platforms became a huge pain. What a lot of game developers did was to target a more-or-less platform-agnostic engine and let the engine handle the platform abstraction.

If the mobile OS space fragments further -- like, Android splits into "Google Android" and "China Android"


my guess is that that'll help drive demand for platform-agnostic engines to help improve portability, and porting one engine to GNU/Linux is a lot easier than every individual program.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 14 points 1 week ago

Is this the year of the Ubuntu Touch Smartphone?

Probably not, but it should be.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

is it ready for normies to daily drive?

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 4 points 1 week ago

Seems pretty polished, but I genuinely don't know. None of my devices support it, so I haven't had the opportunity to test drive it.

At some point, "normies" are just going to have to break down and learn something.

[-] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think postmarketOS will probably win out on market share for Linux phones, mostly because it can use regular flatpak apps, you don't have to develop special apps, which i thought you had to do for Ubuntu touch (which I guess is now called ubports). Not sure, someone correct me if I'm wrong about the specially built apps part.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Palm OS was really good, but without a great app store it never stood a chance.

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[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

I would love to have a phone that I could just plug into a USB C dock and use as a normal computer. They've got plenty of processing power for that now. Every single program I use except for games could run on a phone if it used normal GNU/Linux.

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[-] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I was given an old Chromebook tablet by a friend that wanted to get rid of it, and it just happened to have mainline Linux support. I was able to get postmarketOS running on it, and got gnome shell mobile as the DE. It works, and works well. The apps that support the touch interface and are made to be responsive, etc work really well, and the waydroid integegration works fantastically well. I was able to get android version of jellyfin working, with vlc, and a few other apps I use daily. All this in 4GB of ram, I'm really impressed! This screenshot was running gnome shell I think, I've since switch to the 'mobile' variant of it, and running system monitor with android vlc and android jellyfin running, zoomed out so you could see all the apps running at once.

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Its time for a Linux phone, I put in an order for the 2nd batch of this phone, hopefully they start shipping soon, they supposedly already shipped the first batch to users.

https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

They have been promising a good Linux phone for forever. Is this one any good? Will support last?

[-] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No idea as i haven't gotten mine yet. They're still filling the next pre-order batch of production, but from the reviews on their website, it seems as responsive as you'd expect from android, which was a huge problem with Dev phones like the pinephone, they were way too sluggish with terrible battery life.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Honestly, I think the old FirefoxOS could do well these days. Literally everything an app can do can be done by a browser with a decent caching/local storage scheme. Slap a decent camera on that and it would be amazing.

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[-] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 2 points 1 week ago

postmarketOS?

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, Meego was really nice.

[-] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I worked with it. Just Linux. Rpm was at that moment.

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[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

It makes sense for Chinese smartphone OEMs to move away from the Google version of Android. In the medium to long term you are setting up yourself for failure if you are reliant on an American company.

Unfortunately, the United States cannot be trusted.

[-] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 week ago

It’s not like China can be trusted either. This is a matter of not relying on your adversary.

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[-] libra00@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You probably should've led with the fact that this is Chinese phones, not like Samsung and shit.

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[-] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Please, do not post clickbait

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

Google meet Zune!

[-] network_switch@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Anything closer to supporting regular Linux applications the better. Though I’d expect anything like this to just be Android with well funded alternatives to Google applications/services. Whatever happens will be good for non-Google/Apple/Microsoft directed platforms

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Title is misleading, they are moving away from google services.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Aww, and I here I was hoping multiple vendors were FINALLY going to contribute to mobile linux.

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[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah bullshit. What mobile is are they moving towards? Oh, Android OS? Yeah makes sense since there isn't any competition

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

You mean the brands that literally do this already? Pretty bad article

[-] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 3 points 1 week ago

Harmony Os will probably end up taking over realistically just due to everything going on in the world.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Harmony Os will probably end up taking over realistically just due to everything going on in the world.

For Huawei but their competitors have no interest in that. Just look at the degoogled Android phones for the domestic Chinese market: Everyone ships their own app store and replacement APIs for PlayServices (not compatible to Google's). So app developers need to target each vendor's flavor of Android individually. It's insane.

The logical way would be to create a joint venture for a common app store and PlayStore replacements but they don't. Maybe this story is about exactly that but it should tell you that Xiaomi and the others have no interest in being controlled by a 3rd party.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

To what? Linux? I'll believe it when I see it.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

USA is being horrible at the moment, but China has a LOT of convincing to do before I'll let them deliberately have my data.

Best way remains to raise as high a digital moat against everyone. If you need a smartphone, get a Pixel, install Graphene on it and as few apps as possible.

[-] justi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

One can only hope

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