I have been selfhosting Nextcloud now for five years (never tried selfhosting Owncloud). And you are right with the performance observation (I never managed higher upload speeds than 30 MB/second), the key difference is the application support.

One thing that bothered me for years is how to find photos you took a while ago. While Google and Apple offer smart features, with my selfhosted setup I was always depending on the date as only way to find photos.

The memories app for Nextcloud is a real game changer. Let me show you some of the features.

📸 Timeline: Sort photos and videos by date taken, parsed from Exif data. ⏪ Rewind: Jump to any time in the past instantly and relive your memories. 🤖 AI Tagging: Group photos by people and objects, powered by recognize and facerecognition. 🖼️ Albums: Create albums to group photos and videos together. Then share these albums with others. 🗺️ Map: View your photos on a map, tagged with accurate reverse geocoding.

There are many more apps, from simple tools to complete office environments. For me, this is the reason why I will continue using Nextcloud for the foreseeable future.

I'm using seafile, and you just gave me flashbacks to the CSRF nonsense. Dont remember how i fixed it unfortunately.

I dont understand why nextcloud is so slow. I tried it out recently and its just so slow to upload files. Good to know owncloud is better, but might wait a little while before I try that out again.

Nextcloud is very quick IF you don't mind applying extensive PHP and web server optimizations. This takes time and may have to be redone after upgrades depending on what changes. This is why I don't really recommend it to those just looking to self host a simple file server.

I've been using Nextcloud for years and it has never performed well but I always put that down to my disks being slow.

It has gotten quicker over time, but not hugely.

I rarely use the web interface, I just use the mobile app to sync photos from my phone then everything on my network runs over NFS. It even that was a pain to get working with permissions with NC.

Now I want to try OC. I think the reason I went with NC was because it was meant to be the new and better developed OC after a bunch of OC devs left to form NC.

Syncthing. Once you set it up, there is almost no going back. It doesn't pass through servers though so your backup machine also needs to be on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncthing

Nextcloud AIO (all in one) is a docker compose nextcloud instance that handles all of the optimizations for you. That's what I use. I host it on a VPS I lease from contabo. Nextcloud is fast enough for me. I don't need lightning speeds.

and it was still a bit of a pain to use. It seems like many others feel the same frustration, so I know I’m not alone. I often wonder how some other people claim they have no issues with Nextcloud, but hey, good for them!

That has been my experience, even on high end hardware. It just doesn't get better, NextCloud is a joke full of bugs and issues and it won't get anywhere unless the people running the project decide to actually do thing properly instead of going with the "next cool thing" at every opportunity.

Here is a test I did with a AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM: https://lemmy.world/comment/346174

I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemente WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.

My experience with NC's Webmail: https://lemmy.world/comment/5490189

I can’t help but wonder why so many people have been raving about Nextcloud all these years when ownCloud performs so well right out of the box. I’d love to hear about your experience and the services you use. Share your thoughts!

I believe the people who say they don't have issues with it aren't just using it, after all you can't refute screenshots like the ones on the last link. This kinda looks a lot like the Linux Desktop Delusion, people say it can be everything to everyone and that things are just great while it fails at the most basic tasks a regular user might attempt. Since we're on the delusional land let me link to this about LibreOffice with pictures being considered "good enough for most paperwork with good MS-Office compatibility".

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

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the problem at least for me it's the plugins. I need news, tasks, calendar, snappymail, music, cospend, deck, forms, onlyoffice, cookbook, gpodder sync, notes and something else. OCIS is faster but i don't need just a simple drive....

Then, I tried ownCloud for the first time. Wow, it was fast! Uploading an 8GB folder took just 3 minutes compared to the 25 minutes it took with Nextcloud. Plus, everything was lightning quick on the same machine. I really loved using it. Unfortunately, there’s currently a vulnerability affecting it, which led me to uninstall it.

I have no idea on how you access your self-hosted services but wireguard could help you out to access all your service from all your devices, with less security risks and only one point of failure (the wireguard port). Also this takes away most of the vulnerabilities you could be exposed to, because you access all your home services through a secure tunnel without directly exposing the api ports on your router !

I personally run all my services with docker-compose + traefik + self signed CA certificats + adguardhome dns rewrite. And access all my services through https://service.home.lab on all my devices ! It took me some time to set everything up nicely but right now I'm pretty happy how everything works !

About the current ownCloud vulnerability, they already took some measure and the new docker image has the phpinfo fix (uhhg). Also while I wouldn't take their word for granted:

"The importance of ownCloud’s open source in the enterprise and public-sector markets is embraced by both organizations.”

I sidestepped all this crap by buying Synology in 2014 and upgrading 2 years ago. Sure, it isn't FOSS, but it is very nearly plug and play.

I configured OpenVPN for when I want to use it remotely, and self host my music, video, and family photos.

Having the 4 drive RAID-6 gives me some security from the danger of losing data between backups.

I store all my scanned documents, ocr'd, and keep the paper under control.