[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

old.reddit was open source, also seedit is fully open source under GPLv2 license and it can't get taken down (it's serverless, and it's hosted on IPFS)

edit: also, for example, there's old.lemmy.world

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, we need better communities, most of them are poorly maintained at the moment. But some of them are cool, like technopleb.eth, plebpiracy.eth, plebmusic.eth, movies-and-anime.eth. You can check out the full list on https://seedit.app/#/communities/vote (this is a maintained list of default subs to show in the app, but you can connect p2p to any sub whatsoever if you know its address, just like you can download any torrent with a torrent client)

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

spam

each subplebbit has its own admins, who set up an anti-spam challenge which gets sent p2p to users when they publish to the sub. The cool thing is these challenges can be anything that can be code (anything: including PoW if they want to get spammed, or SMS auth, a captcha, a whitelist, a password, a time-based or usage-based challenge, biometrics to fight AI like worldcoin, whatever regularly centralized social media sites will end up using to fight spam)

csam

all data on plebbit is text-only, you cannot upload media. All media you see is embedded from centralized websites, with direct links, meaning if you post a link to csam from some site like imgur, imgur will ban you, take down the media (the embed returns 404, media disappears) and report your IP address to authorities. Plebbit is also not private, it works like torrents, your IP is in the swarm (even though the app and community can't see it, authorities can track it and figure out what you seeded, just like with torrents)

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Seedit is fully p2p, it’s not federated, meaning there’s no “instances” in the federated sense. You just download the app or go to seedit.app, connect directly to a community, using its address, and you publish to it. It’s like torrents, you’re also seeding back content you receive (that’s why it’s called seedit, but seeding is fully automated at the moment, maybe it will be possible to selectively seed communities in the future)

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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Plebbitor@lemmy.world to c/reddit@lemmy.world

Lemmy was a great idea. It put reddit into the users hands. Its fast, works well and gave the community control of its community

I'm not endorsing Seedit, but I support decentralized social media and want to share information for those who are interested. This is not promotion, im ust spreading awareness.

I know a lot of people here hate Reddit (rightfully so) because of how they keep banning people for their opinions. If you miss the old Reddit experience but want something that actually decentralized and can't be taken down, check out Seedit.

• Looks & feels like old Reddit

• Fully P2P on IPFS → No global admin to ban you

• You can self-host your own community

• ENS domains used for subplebbits

• MVP is coming in 2 weeks, and speed will improve

Right now, it's a bit slow, but once the MVP drops, it’ll be fast. If anyone is seriously interested in running a community, you can dm me I’ll buy an ENS for you.

Seedit doesn’t rely on any servers. It’s pure P2P, running entirely on IPFS. No central authority, it literally can't be taken down.

Seedit is NOT a Lemmy competitor. It’s part of the Plebbit protocol, which supports multiple UIs. In fact, a Lemmy-style UI is coming soon.

The code is fully open source, If you're into decentralization and open protocols, check it out.

https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

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Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

ENS domain are used to name communities.

Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

Important Links :

Home

https://plebbit.com/home

App

https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

FAQ

https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

Whitepapers

https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

Github

https://github.com/plebbit

https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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I'm here to address some FUD and questions from people who think Plebbit won’t succeed. Let’s talk about why peer-to-peer is better than all those other social media platforms

list of reason why P2P is better than:

  1. mastodon / lemmy / activitypub
  • Instance admins can delete user accounts and communities. Instance admins can block other instances. It's too difficult to run your own instance, you need to buy a domain name, server, DDOS protection, set up SSL, etc.
  • No mechanism for a community owner to communicate a challenge to post to his community, so impossible to prevent spam.
  1. bluesky
  • Bluesky instances cannot delete user accounts and communities (as long as they are backed up somewhere else), but they can block user accounts and communities. Since running your own instance is difficult, your user account and community will be blocked most of the time and you won't be able to reach your users.
  • No mechanism for a community owner to communicate a challenge to post to his community, so impossible to prevent spam.
  1. nostr
  • Bluesky instances cannot delete user accounts and communities (as long as they are backed up somewhere else), but they can block user accounts and communities. Since running your own instance is difficult, your user account and community will be blocked most of the time and you won't be able to reach your users.
  • No mechanism for a community owner to communicate a challenge to post to his community, so impossible to prevent spam.
  1. farcaster
  • Hubs cannot delete user accounts and communities (as long as they are backed up somewhere else), but they can block user accounts and communities. Since running your own hub is difficult (long sync time, lots of bandwidth/storage/ram), your user account and community will be blocked most of the time and you won't be able to reach your users.
  • Hubs in general cannot scale infinitely as they keep growing forever, like a blockchain.
  • Must pay $5 on optimism to be able to post, most users don't want to pay. Also can be censored by the optimism RPC or USDC.
  • No mechanism for a community owner to communicate a challenge to post to his community, so impossible to prevent spam.
  1. steemit
  • Blockchain RPCs cannot delete user accounts and communities (as long as they are backed up somewhere else), but they can block user accounts and communities. Since running your own blockchain node is difficult (long sync time, lots of bandwidth/storage/ram), your user account and community will be blocked most of the time and you won't be able to reach your users.
  • Blockchains in general cannot scale infinitely as they keep growing forever.
  • Must pay blockchain transaction fees to post, most users don't want to pay.
  • No mechanism for a community owner to communicate a challenge to post to his community, so impossible to prevent spam.

plebbit solves each problem:

  • instances/hubs/rpcs cannot block a user account or community, because there are no instances, it's directly peer to peer. a community node can be run from home on consumer internet, no server, domain name, SSL, sync time, etc. it's as easy as running a bittorrent client.
  • it can scale infinitely because there are no historical ledger like a blockchain or hub, it's like bittorrent, if a community no longer has any seeds, it stops existing. (this is also a downside of plebbit, but scaling is more important, not scaling makes the system useless)
  • it has no cost to publish, like bittorrent, because is has no historical ledger that each node must sync. users seed their communities for free while they use it, like bittorrent.
  • a community node can communicate a challenge to a user to post to his community (like a minimum user account age, or karma, or a captcha, whitelist, etc), because it's directly peer to peer, the community node is the instance, so it can gatekeep it however it wants. (this is also a downside of plebbit, a community node must be online 24/7, but it's also possible to delegate running a node to an RPC/instance/hub, you just lose some censorship resistance, so it's not inferior in this regards, it's strictly superior because of the optionality).
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Plebbit is a selfhosted, opensource, nonprofit social media protocol, this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

it has no central server, database, HTTP endpoint or DNS - it is pure peer to peer. Unlike federated instances, which are regular websites that can get deplatformed at any time,

ENS domain are used to name communities.

Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy. Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

The code is fully open source on

https://github.com/plebbit

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Plebbit differs from Nostr in that Nostr is federated (using instances), whereas Plebbit is P2P (fully decentralized). Plebbit uses IPFS, which is more similar to BitTorrent, which is pure P2P as well.

The issue with federations is that their instances are not easy to set up, most users don't have an incentive to do so, and even if they did, they are not censorship resistant at all, because they work like regularly centralized websites. Your Nostr/Lemmy/Mastodon instance can get DDOS'd, deplatformed by the SSL certificate provider, deplatformed by the datacenter, deplatformed by the domain name registrar. The instance admin can get personally doxxed and harassed, they can get personally sued for hosting something a user posted, etc. And instances can block each other.

Whereas running a node on Plebbit is as easy as opening up one of its desktop clients, which automatically run the custom IPFS node in the background, and seed all the protocol data automatically (similarly to how a BitTorrent client seeds torrents). It runs on a raspberry pi, on 4GB of RAM and consumer internet. It scales like torrents, i.e. the more users connect p2p, the faster the network gets. And most importantly, nobody can stop you or block you from connecting to another user, because there's nobody in between. This means nobody can stop you from connecting to a subplebbit (subreddit clone). If you run your own community, you're always reachable by any user on plebbit.

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Yes. Reddit is A, ActivityPub (Lemmy, Mastodon) is B, Plebbit (Seedit, Plebchan) is C:

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Plebbit doesn't use a blockchain, it's explained in the first paragraph of the whitepaper. Plebbit actually proves why a blockchain makes no sense for social media.

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

It doesn't need crypto, it only needs IPFS (but we could change underlying protocol in the future, if someone creates a better alternative to IPFS).

"no transaction fees" is listed as a feature because blockchain-based social media exists, and unlike them a plebbit full node doesn't have to sync (because it's a IPFS node), it just runs immediately like a BitTorrent node would, and it runs on 4GB of RAM even on a raspberry pi, on consumer internet (consumes less bandwidth than YouTube) and it only uses a few GBs of storage. Blockchain social media fundamentally cannot scale because of node requirements, that is if you want the platform to be "decentralized" (enough full nodes).

We do have crypto features, as an addendum. Mainly, we use crypto domains such as .eth (ens.domains) end .sol (sns.id) to resolve plebbit author/community addresses to readable names, because they are IPNS public keys (very long and impossible to memorize, e.g. 12D3KooWMLCgrZT8Ucaw2DWnv1HsQianf9tVi8sK6JCbCod3XK8T). Unlike DNS, crypto domains are censorship resistant. They are cryptographic property, you hold them in your wallet, which means if you change the address of your plebbit community to one such domain, you are tokenizing your community. In theory, the more users your community has, the more people have saved your domain, the higher its value. Compare that to Reddit for example, where all subreddits are owned by Reddit, they can ban your community with millions of subs, because it's not your property, it's theirs.

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

All the code is fully open source on github.com/plebbit

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

It's not a competing standard, it's a whole new approach to decentralize forum-based social media.

ActivityPub is not fully decentralized, it's a federated design, meaning it's a network of instances, and each instance is just a regular website with servers. Anyone can run an instance, but it's expensive, tiresome and you'll get banned for it; they are regular websites.

whereas Plebbit is fully decentralized, it's purely peer to peer, meaning it's a network of peers where every peer can potentially be a full node by simply using the desktop app (or in the future, a non custodial public rpc on mobile), and you don't have to run any site/domain for it, it's censorship resistant just like running a torrent with a BitTorrent client.

Also to be clear: like ActivityPub is a protocol with clients, such as Mastodon and Lemmy, Plebbit is a protocol with clients, such as Seedit and Plebchan.

[-] Plebbitor@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Because this way it has no central server, database, HTTP endpoint or DNS - it is pure peer to peer. Unlike federated instances, which are regular websites that can get deplatformed at any time, plebbit full nodes are customized IPFS Kubo nodes, and running one is as simple as downloading the Seedit client desktop app (available on github) and keeping it open. It runs the node automatically, and seeds content automatically as you browse it. It runs on a raspberry pi, so we expect to see a lot of plebbit users running their own full node.

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Plebbit is a selfhosted, opensource, nonprofit social media protocol, this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

ENS domain are used to name communities.

Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit and new reddit, 4chanw, andhave a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy. Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

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