[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

My mental justification is that the Tardigrades were either extinct at that point (which is stated to have happened at some point prior to the end of DISCO S3), or what few post-Message in a Bottle admirals might know about the classified project couldn't justify making them suffer-- because, y'know, that is a thing that happens with the spore drive.

Hell, even if it was an option, would Janeway go for it? We saw her get rightly pissed at the equinox crew for running their ship off space aliens' suffering. and I feel like the next-closest alternative known at the time (genemodding someone with Tardigrade DNA and also making them suffer through the jump) might also fly in the face of her highly principled stance.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

The defining characteristic of US classified documents is that their release would cause some degree of damage to US national security, ranging from harmful to gravely harmful. here's a Cornell Law writeup that squares with what I know here.

Regardless of any opinions one might have as to the use and application of classification, in the eyes of the US government taking these documents without authorization is harmful by definition.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Best attempt:

The story is mainly about Kelvin Kirk learning to be less of the cocky dipshit he still is at the end of '09. He's still riding high from his victory over the future Romulans, so he really doesn't respect the seriousness the Chair should command. You see this in the completely unforced error at the start of the film--Spock is (for some reason) dead to rights, and Kirk decides that the power of friendship is more important than the Prime Directive. Pike rightly reams him out for this, but the character thread really comes to a head when the USS Vengeance catches up to Enterprise and prepares to utterly destroy her. Much as I complain about the movie, I do like this little moment of helplessness from Chris Pine's Kirk. Staring down the larger ship's guns, Kirk can only watch helplessly and apologize for leading his crew to their deaths. It has the same vibes as Kirk from Generations--he didn't believe he was dying until he actually did. Obviously, the general thread of Kirk actually taking responsibility for his crew culminates in him doing percussive maintenance inside of the Warp Core and dying for Enterprise's sins. He gets better, but honestly I can accept this as the transition between cadet Kirk of the 09 and the actually quite competent Captain Kirk in Beyond.

Spock is the other big character in this movie. Sad as it is, this is the only real time we get to see Kelvin Kirk and Kelvin Spock's friendship explored in depth. They were at each other's throats for most of '09 and Beyond focused more on McCoy + Spock's relationship. Spock's friendship with Kirk is the main avenue through which they explore Spock's classic dilemma of his Human vs. Vulcan sides. As cynical as I am about them recreating the end of WoK in reverse here, I will at least concede that Pine and Quinto did well with what they were given.

Main complaint, besides Cumberbatch being Khan: they totally wasted Bruce Greenwood's Admiral Pike here. I'm of the opinion that Kelvin Pike was the best version we'd seen prior to Discovery, and probably did more than a little bit in reviving interest in the character. Here he gets stuffed in the fridge like half an hour in to make Kirk mad/sad. What a shame.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

In fairness, they did that on Voyager first.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Even if they didn't add more episodes, I will complain that it was an incredible waste of time that Endgame spent so much focus on Future Janeway's shenanigans. They could've done a cold open establishing her motivations and then taken the time used by the future scenes to unpack the weight of the crew we actually care about getting home.

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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by eva_sieve@lemmy.world to c/startrek@lemmy.world

Hey all! Just found out that this place was a thing again after posting around in Ten Forward. Thought I'd contribute to content™ with a quick writeup blathering on about a moment in ST I really appreciate but haven't heard talked about. Will this become a recurring thing? Iunno, maybe.

(Also hoping that I didn't double or triple post this because Lemmy World's kinda being weird rn. apologies in advance to the mods if I screwed something up.)

The scene in question is from Star Trek Prodigy, specifically s1 ep. 14 Crossroads, spoilers ahead obviously. The premise is pretty simple-- the kids have hidden Protostar and need to find passage to Starfleet so they can warn them of the danger the ship poses. Main main character Dal meets a Starfleet officer and has the perfect opportunity to cut the series short by 6 episodes. He uh... kinda screws up.

On the surface it's easy to be annoyed at the show for falling into the trope of people being unable to properly divulge information so the plot can happen. If this were main characters from any of the other 10 Star Trek series, I probably would be super annoyed. But I think here it works precisely because Dal is a child. He's overwhelmed by a bout of hero worship and the short scene is masterfully composed to put you in his shoes and make the viewer feel that too.

The first few shots as the two meet have Janeway turned around or out of frame. Instead, the camera focuses in on Dal's darting eyes before pulling us into his view. Dal's POV shot starts at Janeway's legs and pans up to her head-- he's looking up to her in a quite literal sense. The soundtrack does a heroic little swell to emphasize the living legend that is ~~Captain~~ Vice Admiral Kathyrn Janeway.

You'll notice that in the ensuing conversation between the two characters Dal is framed with a lot of close shots of his face, while Janeway has these sort of neutral, medium shots. I think this is an effective way to contrast the two's mental states-- Dal has a lot of emotions boiling to the surface as he meets the woman of whom his trusted mentor is just a pale shadow. Janeway, meanwhile, is shown in a steady, confident stance (and, as before, we are looking up at her).

Brett Gray's performance in this scene is great. He really sells Dal's earnestness in wanting to not screw up while meeting his hero. It makes sense why he would quite literally lose the plot after a few disarming words from Admiral Janeway.

If I had to pick a theme for Prodigy (at least as of this writing), I would say it's about legacy. The heroes of yesteryear cast a long shadow, but it's always a worthy cause to follow their example. Gotta start somewhere! That's why I really appreciate this scene-- it's a suitably grand moment as we bridge the gulf between the boy who fled to the stars and the legend he wants to become.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that you have two pairs of the same person and that more than half of these examples (Solkar, Spock, Sarek) are sourced from a single family.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If I had a nickel for every time Uhura solved a problem by singing at it, I'd have two nickels. That's not a lot, but it's the same number as how many times Chakotay's been lost in the Delta Quadrant.

This was a fun episode. Some bangers, though I agree with some of the people who think some songs could have been shortened. The unexpected Klingon boy band was an amazing gag that didn't overstay its welcome. Overall, I think it's great to have Trek embrace the old-school campiness from time to time.

Anyone else convinced Captain Batel is kinda doomed? Pike got off the relationship trauma fairly easily in this episode.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I liked that this episode and Quality of Mercy fleshed out (prime) Pike's weakness-- he's very much a diplomat, not a warrior. He avoids conflict to a fault, and this distinguishes him from other "diplomat" captains like Picard, who's more willing to show his teeth when necessary.

It really contextualizes why Starfleet Command told Pike to stay on his Five Year Mission during Discovery s1--ya just know he would have gotten the Enterprise banged up while trying to make nice withsome T'kuvma fanatics.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I thought it was weird and a touch sleazier than we normally see from Ransom, but out of universe that is very sweet!

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Are Orions now the designated species for calling out how essentialized Star Trek aliens tend to be? Because we have D'vana Tendi, the somewhat obscure Ensign Harral from Discovery, and now the crew of the D'var. You can argue the last one's just an extension of Tendi's character arc, but still, that's three series that have touched on this.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was gearing up for a Gorn episode and they faked us all out!

I liked it thy gave most of the cast (sorry Ortegas) screentime and moved a lot of side plots a small amount.

Moderately bummed they retroactively made Thor (George Kirk) seem like a less good father, though.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To be fair, Sybok was the original spontaneous Spock sibling, even though Star Trek V was chronologically later.

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