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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/post/237378

Hello World!

We've recently added PieFed.World to the Fedihosting Foundation portfolio.

PieFed.World is still in its early stages, and we still need to port some of our automations we already have in place on Lemmy.World. This includes functionality to inform people about moderation actions taken against them, as well as some other moderation tooling. Administration is currently done by the same team responsible for Lemmy.World, and the same rules that apply to Lemmy.World also apply to PieFed.World.

What is PieFed?

PieFed is a Fediverse/Threadiverse platform similar to Lemmy or Mbin/kbin. You can find a description and feature comparison with Lemmy on their website.

While PieFed has a range of features currently not present in Lemmy, it also is a a lot younger and isn't quite as robust as Lemmy currently is. There are still many bugs and missing features that you will likely run across compared to Lemmy, which will take time to be addressed. PieFed has fairly active development and is seeing a lot of issues addressed fairly quickly, which is especially important recently, as the number of active PieFed instances and PieFed users increased significantly with a range of Lemmy instances opening up PieFed instances as well. PieFed currently does not have proper "stable" releases and no test suite, so it's not unlikely for things to break from time to time. Although 1.0.0 has already been released a while back, there are still too many issues addressed in more recent commits to stay on that version.

As PieFed is part of the same federated network as Lemmy and Mbin, all PieFed communities can be accessed from Lemmy and Mbin, as well as other Fediverse platforms. Likewise, PieFed can access communities from Lemmy, Mbin and other Fediverse platforms. Whether you use a PieFed instance, a Lemmy instance, or an Mbin instance, it does not matter what type of instance the community is on. The software affects your own user experience, but the content is available regardless.

Creation of communities

Creation of communities will be limited to admins for the first week of the public launch. We will reserve this time to allow community moderators of established communities to claim the name on PieFed.World before we open community creation to the public. We will limit this to communities with the same name and at least 2k monthly active users. In case of multiple qualifying communities with the same name on different instances expressing interest, Lemmy.World communities will be given preference, afterwards the number of monthly active users. Please reach out if you'd like to discuss an exception. Requests can be posted in !support@piefed.world. After the first week, community creation will be available to anyone.

Migration of communities

PieFed has a feature to migrate communities to a local instance. We will not be offering PieFed's community migration feature initially.

We still need to research the details of how this works and the impacts this has on federation before we will make a decision on whether will support this in the future. If requested, we may reserve some names for potential future community migrations until we have made a decision to allow community migrations.

This does not prevent you from moving communities in the classic way, by opening up a new community and posting in the old community that people should move over.

Private voting

We had previously disabled private voting for PieFed.World before opening the instance to the public, as the original implementation has a range of drawbacks when it comes to federation, and our team overwhelmingly believed that the individual benefits of private voting did not outweigh the impact this has on the Fediverse beyond the user's instance. Additionally, due to the implementation of that feature, it was also trivial to identify the original voter, which significantly limited the promises of this bringing actual voting privacy.

Since then, the implementation of private voting has been changed to provide the option of federating or not federating votes. While this is more likely to result in vote differences across instances, it does not feed bad information to other instances, which could make it a lot harder for other instances to identify manipulation.

Non-federated voting is available for all PieFed.World users.

Topics

Topics are a kind of "starter packs" or collections grouping multiple communities that people can follow, curated by the admin team. We don't have a clear vision for the structure of these yet.

You can see an example structure on piefed.social.

Feel free to let us know your thoughts on this.

Feeds

PieFed supports feeds, which are user-created groups of communities, similar to topics. These are currently in a global namespace and all users can create public feeds in the same shared namespace.

Reputation and vote weight

PieFed has options for admins to treat certain types of content differently for "reputation" calculation, as well as options for weighing votes of specific instances differently compared to others. We currently have all options for treating certain content, communities or instances differently disabled.

How does PieFed compare to Lemmy?

PieFed has various features not present in Lemmy, check out their website!

There is also various functionality that Lemmy has, which you may be missing currently with PieFed for now:

Limited API support

In Lemmy, the default web interface relies entirely on the Lemmy API. This has the major benefit of all functionality available in the default web interface also being available to all third party clients. PieFed currently uses separate code paths and implementations for the default web interface and its API. To make it possible to access functionality in third party apps, dedicated API endpoints have to be created, even if this functionality is already available in the default web interface. This also includes alternative web-based UIs.

Multiple developers of alternative UIs and mobile clients are already working on PieFed support, some already released experimental versions.

Limited availability of Markdown previews

Markdown previews are currently only available in posts. There are many other places that accept markdown, but you can't preview the rendered comment before submitting it. This is tracked in #532.

Image uploads only on post creation

Images can't be uploaded to comments currently. You'll have to host them externally for now. This is tracked in #768.

Autocompletion of users/communities

Usernames and communities can't be autocompleted when typing their names currently. This is tracked in #799.

Limited availability of modlog

Modlog is currently very limited. While there is an instance modlog, there are currently no filters available, so it's not possible for users to see actions taken against a specific user or within a specific community. Community modlog exists, but it is currently only available to community moderators and admins. Filtering modlog is tracked in #846.

Moderator hierarchy

Lemmy has a moderator hierarchy based on the time a moderator was appointed, relative to other moderators in the community. This allows moderators to add other moderators, but they can only remove moderators that were added later than they were. There are a few other actions that check moderator hierarchy as well, including deletion only being possible by the top mod. In PieFed, communities have one or more owners, who can add and remove moderators, while all other moderators are currently on equal level. Community owners currently cannot be changed without editing this directly in the database, if you'd like to change owners in your community please reach out in !support@piefed.world.

Donations

Similar to Lemmy, PieFed development is supported by donations. You can donate to PieFed development through Patreon.

Additionally, we would appreciate donations towards the Fedihosting Foundation, the non-profit organization operating PieFed.World, Lemmy.World, and a range of other Fediverse platforms.

Problems and questions

Please report any issues and questions about PieFed.World in !support@piefed.world.

For topics about the software PieFed, please visit !piefed_meta@piefed.social.

Bugs can be reported on Codeberg.

TLDR: New platform with similar functionality available, Lemmy.World will continue to exist.

edit: reordered sections and minor wording changes

edit 2: updated community owner information

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An in-person conference centered around the fediverse is happening this Friday and Saturday at UBC Robson Square in Vancouver, BC.

Put on by reiver@mastodon.social, it is bringing together a number of big names including Evan Prodromou (of AP fame), Dan Supernault (Pixelfed creator), and more!

> 🎉 FediCon is in 1 day! > >If you already have a FediCon ticket, you should receive this reminder e-mail message. > >See you there! > >... > >🌐 FediCon >📍 Vancouver (Canada) >🗓️ August 1-2 >ℹ️ https://fedicon.ca/ >🎟️ https://lu.ma/p4bbb941 > >🥳 https://lu.ma/kowist5x >🥳 https://lu.ma/reg4appv

I'll be on stage speaking about some of ActivityPub's "hard problems", and what people are doing to fix them. It's a rehash and expansion of a talk I gave at FOSDEM this past February.

Are there threadiverse related problems? I'd imagine so. Would love to include them in my presentation.

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Although some people debate whether or not Nostr is part of the Fediverse, the reality is that we have a lot in common, and the networks do overlap in places.

This is a really cool interview. Rabble is someone who started using the Internet in the late 90s to organize protests and bolster independent media. He would go on to become a founding member of Twitter, before focusing his attention on next-generation communication systems such as Secure Scuttlebutt and Nostr.

Dude has a massive depth of knowledge, and is a super cool guy. You can listen to this on my site, or wherever you get your podcasts!

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I'd like to invite you all to share your thoughts and ideas about Lemmy. This feedback thread is a great place to do that, as it allows for easier discussions than Github thanks to the tree-like comment structure. This is also where the community is at.

Here's how you can participate:

  • Post one top-level comment per complaint or suggestion about Lemmy.
  • Reply to comments with your own ideas or links to Github issues related to the complaints.
  • Be specific and constructive. Avoid vague wishes and focus on specific issues that can be fixed.
  • This thread is a chance for us to not only identify the biggest pain points but also work together to find the best solutions.

By creating this periodic post, we can:

  • Track progress on issues raised in previous threads.
  • See how many issues have been resolved over time.
  • Gauge whether the developers are responsive to user feedback.

Your input may be valuable in helping prioritize development efforts and ensuring that Lemmy continues to meet the needs of its community. Let's work together to make Lemmy even better!

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This is a photo of how I see my post on programming. Dev instance.

This is how I see my post from my alt account on Reddthat.

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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by LegoBrickOnFire@jlai.lu to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I know that there should be tools to make it easier to publish content to Twitter/Bluesky/Mastodon, without doing the work thrice. Do you know a good one? Can you share your experience with using them? Thanks! I hope the new platforms are not gonna get ditched immediately...

Edit: Wow I didn't expect that the solutions were often expensive and complex tools (with way too much "AI").

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Uptick in inflammatory posts (poptalk.scrubbles.tech)

Has anyone else noticed this, across the fediverse, Lemmy specifically. A lot of new users, but also a lot of first posts that are very inflammatory/rage baity.

Do we have another legit influx of new users? Or do we just have some bad actors trying to stir the pot? Or maybe I'm imagining it.

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An overview of the fediverse clients I'm paying the most attention to.

For the Threadiverse readers, I'd love to hear more about what I've missed for threadiverse clients. Ill admit that I've paid less attention to those, so tell me what I've missed!

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submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I'm sure I'd be preaching to the choir if I told you that it's time for us to immigrate from übercorp owned social media and services. All of you have done so, so that's not the point of this post. Even though we are on these new platforms, the fediverse is still sensitive to requests from governmental bodies and organizations. Lemmy.zip has already blocked UK users and Lemmy.world will almost certainly do the same. Due to the size of Matrix's biggest homeserver matrix.org, the admins of said homeserver are beginning to follow the OSA and have already raised their minimum age to 18+. And instances who don't follow the Act could be subjected to insurmountable paperwork and even blocked from the UK, Australia and other countries enacting these outrageous laws soon.

Blocking UK users to avoid this is almost a necessity, and as Labour is attempting to get lawmakers to outlaw VPNs, we could be seeing the equivalent of the UK Great Firewall soon. However, it will take significant amounts of time, money and paperwork to outlaw VPNs and to get ISPs to block sites and protocols. This is where federated and open source platforms have an advantage, without being shackled by bureaucracy they are able to quickly adapt. But this is not sustainable, and eventually the UK will become even more overreaching in order to gain more control over people's Internet usage.

Darknets such as Tor, I2P and Yggdrasil are a potential solution, however they have multiple issues. Tor is slow and has a reputation of being used by pedophiles and drug traffickers. I2P is scattered in implementation and cannot handle high load. ~~Yggdrasil is alpha software and requires IPv6, which in many countries is simply not possible to use~~. Whilst these darknets are extremely resistant to censorship from other countries, with the only way to fully dismantle them would be to shutoff all access to the Internet, they still are not capable of handling modern Internet usage.

We might need new completely independent mediums seperate from the Internet to avoid this. Physical bluetooth mesh networks or other technology is an example. Maybe even a new version of dial-up. All I know is that governments will not stop here. I might seem like I'm overreacting here, but we need to be prepared for what is coming.

CORRECTION: I was told by a peer that Yggdrasil peers must have IPv6, however one does not need an IPv6 enabled network to use it, they just need an IPv6 operating system/device, which virtually every modern operating system including Windows and Linux does. Yggdrasil is actually Beta software.

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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

It seems like all the biggest comms prohibit posting videos. I'm mostly talking about news, world news, etc. at lemmy.world... What are the biggest comms or instances that allow posting videos? I enjoy reading but I also enjoy watching and posting videos. Thanks!

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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by Skavau@piefed.social to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I think they're the 3rd, 4th largest piefed instance? Check: !feddit_online@feddit.online

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I love Lemmy (slrpnk.net)
submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by countrypunk@slrpnk.net to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

It's brought me joy in life and I've learned so many new things. How cool is it that we get to enjoy all of this cool stuff for free (as in cost) and free (as in freedom)?

That is all. Hope everyone has a nice day.

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So I like to call the grouping as the federation but for me it mainly means the things aggregating communities. So the reddit like experience but then there is mastadon which is twitter like. Anyway I often think about the whole thing like going to a bar, or a club, or basically any type of thing where you hang out. You have places you regularly like to hang at which are the subscritpions, you have places you hate and you block those, then you sometimes just go whereever to see whats out there which is like scrolling all. So I was trying to think what mastadon would be like and I was thinking it was like going to someones party because the host is not a group or location so much as an individual. There is no real question here just a musing I felt like sharing.

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Twoafros@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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A ticketing board (github.com)
submitted 1 week ago by Suoko@feddit.it to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Could this join the fediverse?

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The latest release of the ActivityPub WordPress plugin introduces new functionality for performing remote follows directly from WordPress. Here's why that's important for the future of WordPress on the Fediverse.

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  • Music sharing platform Bandwagon adds the ability for artists to sell albums, create paid channels for exclusive content, and announces upcoming premium subscription tier for artists
  • @Bonfire Social is getting close to release, and team already working on other features as well
  • some good articles on what its like to be a moderator, and the impact of LLMs on small communities on the fediverse
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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by mho@social.heise.de to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Haven't posted these in a while, but there's not much change:
Since @heiseonline has left #X/ #Twitter, we've seen a bit more #traffic from #Mastodon; #Bluesky is also growing a bit. #Threads lags.

There was an error in our numbers of #Flipboard, after correction, it's way bigger. @fediverse

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submitted 1 week ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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I'm curious as to why Lemmy rarely shows up in search results on the main internet even if there is a post related to the search input. I've only ever seen a Lemmy result if Lemmy is specified. Is this because we're still relatively small or some other reason?

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Learned about it thanks to the Fireside Fedi Podcast. Might just end up becoming a new way to find solutions/perspectives by real people, just as looking for reddit results has been in the past for many people.

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