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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/post/237378

Hello World!

We've recently added PieFed.World to the Fedihosting Foundation portfolio.

PieFed.World is still in its early stages, and we still need to port some of our automations we already have in place on Lemmy.World. This includes functionality to inform people about moderation actions taken against them, as well as some other moderation tooling. Administration is currently done by the same team responsible for Lemmy.World, and the same rules that apply to Lemmy.World also apply to PieFed.World.

What is PieFed?

PieFed is a Fediverse/Threadiverse platform similar to Lemmy or Mbin/kbin. You can find a description and feature comparison with Lemmy on their website.

While PieFed has a range of features currently not present in Lemmy, it also is a a lot younger and isn't quite as robust as Lemmy currently is. There are still many bugs and missing features that you will likely run across compared to Lemmy, which will take time to be addressed. PieFed has fairly active development and is seeing a lot of issues addressed fairly quickly, which is especially important recently, as the number of active PieFed instances and PieFed users increased significantly with a range of Lemmy instances opening up PieFed instances as well. PieFed currently does not have proper "stable" releases and no test suite, so it's not unlikely for things to break from time to time. Although 1.0.0 has already been released a while back, there are still too many issues addressed in more recent commits to stay on that version.

As PieFed is part of the same federated network as Lemmy and Mbin, all PieFed communities can be accessed from Lemmy and Mbin, as well as other Fediverse platforms. Likewise, PieFed can access communities from Lemmy, Mbin and other Fediverse platforms. Whether you use a PieFed instance, a Lemmy instance, or an Mbin instance, it does not matter what type of instance the community is on. The software affects your own user experience, but the content is available regardless.

Creation of communities

Creation of communities will be limited to admins for the first week of the public launch. We will reserve this time to allow community moderators of established communities to claim the name on PieFed.World before we open community creation to the public. We will limit this to communities with the same name and at least 2k monthly active users. In case of multiple qualifying communities with the same name on different instances expressing interest, Lemmy.World communities will be given preference, afterwards the number of monthly active users. Please reach out if you'd like to discuss an exception. Requests can be posted in !support@piefed.world. After the first week, community creation will be available to anyone.

Migration of communities

PieFed has a feature to migrate communities to a local instance. We will not be offering PieFed's community migration feature initially.

We still need to research the details of how this works and the impacts this has on federation before we will make a decision on whether will support this in the future. If requested, we may reserve some names for potential future community migrations until we have made a decision to allow community migrations.

This does not prevent you from moving communities in the classic way, by opening up a new community and posting in the old community that people should move over.

Private voting

We had previously disabled private voting for PieFed.World before opening the instance to the public, as the original implementation has a range of drawbacks when it comes to federation, and our team overwhelmingly believed that the individual benefits of private voting did not outweigh the impact this has on the Fediverse beyond the user's instance. Additionally, due to the implementation of that feature, it was also trivial to identify the original voter, which significantly limited the promises of this bringing actual voting privacy.

Since then, the implementation of private voting has been changed to provide the option of federating or not federating votes. While this is more likely to result in vote differences across instances, it does not feed bad information to other instances, which could make it a lot harder for other instances to identify manipulation.

Non-federated voting is available for all PieFed.World users.

Topics

Topics are a kind of "starter packs" or collections grouping multiple communities that people can follow, curated by the admin team. We don't have a clear vision for the structure of these yet.

You can see an example structure on piefed.social.

Feel free to let us know your thoughts on this.

Feeds

PieFed supports feeds, which are user-created groups of communities, similar to topics. These are currently in a global namespace and all users can create public feeds in the same shared namespace.

Reputation and vote weight

PieFed has options for admins to treat certain types of content differently for "reputation" calculation, as well as options for weighing votes of specific instances differently compared to others. We currently have all options for treating certain content, communities or instances differently disabled.

How does PieFed compare to Lemmy?

PieFed has various features not present in Lemmy, check out their website!

There is also various functionality that Lemmy has, which you may be missing currently with PieFed for now:

Limited API support

In Lemmy, the default web interface relies entirely on the Lemmy API. This has the major benefit of all functionality available in the default web interface also being available to all third party clients. PieFed currently uses separate code paths and implementations for the default web interface and its API. To make it possible to access functionality in third party apps, dedicated API endpoints have to be created, even if this functionality is already available in the default web interface. This also includes alternative web-based UIs.

Multiple developers of alternative UIs and mobile clients are already working on PieFed support, some already released experimental versions.

Limited availability of Markdown previews

Markdown previews are currently only available in posts. There are many other places that accept markdown, but you can't preview the rendered comment before submitting it. This is tracked in #532.

Image uploads only on post creation

Images can't be uploaded to comments currently. You'll have to host them externally for now. This is tracked in #768.

Autocompletion of users/communities

Usernames and communities can't be autocompleted when typing their names currently. This is tracked in #799.

Limited availability of modlog

Modlog is currently very limited. While there is an instance modlog, there are currently no filters available, so it's not possible for users to see actions taken against a specific user or within a specific community. Community modlog exists, but it is currently only available to community moderators and admins. Filtering modlog is tracked in #846.

Moderator hierarchy

Lemmy has a moderator hierarchy based on the time a moderator was appointed, relative to other moderators in the community. This allows moderators to add other moderators, but they can only remove moderators that were added later than they were. There are a few other actions that check moderator hierarchy as well, including deletion only being possible by the top mod. In PieFed, communities have one or more owners, who can add and remove moderators, while all other moderators are currently on equal level. Community owners currently cannot be changed without editing this directly in the database, if you'd like to change owners in your community please reach out in !support@piefed.world.

Donations

Similar to Lemmy, PieFed development is supported by donations. You can donate to PieFed development through Patreon.

Additionally, we would appreciate donations towards the Fedihosting Foundation, the non-profit organization operating PieFed.World, Lemmy.World, and a range of other Fediverse platforms.

Problems and questions

Please report any issues and questions about PieFed.World in !support@piefed.world.

For topics about the software PieFed, please visit !piefed_meta@piefed.social.

Bugs can be reported on Codeberg.

TLDR: New platform with similar functionality available, Lemmy.World will continue to exist.

edit: reordered sections and minor wording changes

edit 2: updated community owner information

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I recently asked for some PeerTube recommendation and it made me realize how disjointed the URL system can seem to the median, not technically-inclined, not-motivated, user.

The first user UX issue was the link to the lemmy.wtf post. You get transported to the lemmy.wtf webUI client, so you're not logged in and the interface is different (arguably a median user would expect to view the post via their own instance/platform, piefed.social in my case).

But then we have the issue of PeerTube channel links in the lemmy.wtf post. I wanted to check out the Open Source_gaming channel which is referenced via the following URL:

https://peertube.wtf/c/opensource_gaming@video.hardlimit.com

My peertube instance/WebUI client is Spectra Video, so again you encounter another UX issue.

To add to that, if you paste the URL verbatim (major UX issue in of itself for the median user) into the Specra Video webUI, you won't actually find the opensource_gaming channel:

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You would need to use the following search prompt in the Spectra Video webUI:

opensource_gaming@video.hardlimit.com

The upcoming version of Piefed actually addresses this issue on the Threadi side.

For logged in users, Piefed 1.4 will turn the following URL:

https://lemmy.world/post/39832275

into

https://piefed.social/c/news/p/1544770/national-parks-ordered-to-check-gift-shops-for-dei-type-items

This issue is unresolved in Lemmy, but the Lemmy brand is permanently tainted among users who are looking for alternatives to American oligarchic technology services. The low moral standards of the Lemmy devs' (support for the brutal North Korean regime, promotion of russian propaganda narratives that they know are false) is a massive turn off for the exact target market of the Fediverse. It's a fact that many Europeans looking for alternatives instinctively recognize the demagoguery of the Lemmy devs and their fans.

But even with Piefed 1.4, the PeerTube linking UX (same for Mastodon and I am assuming Pixelfed, Loops and other Fedi services) is a nightmare for the median user.

What would be helpful is to have a system where the first time a user encounters a Fedi link, they would be prompted to select their instance for a given Fedi service.

So clicking on a peertube.wtf (terrible name if their goal is to go beyond a "niche within a niche" userbase) for the first time when logged in would give you a notice similar to:

Enjoy a user focused video platform! Sign up | Login into Peertube

There are clearly some UX issues with this, but I still think it would be better than the current system.

Would would be even better is if some of the major Fedi instances in a given service could somehow automate the discovery of existing user accounts for other Fedi services.

This would either need to be done in a whitelist only manner (i.e. discovery only works between say piefed.social (or piefed.world) and mastodon.social and/or some sort of client side system, if that's even possible. You don't want sketchy instances or spammers to be able to poll all of a user's accounts across Fedi services.

I am assuming this is a client-side issue and it cannot be solved at the protocol level (ActivityPub), but in a way this makes it easier to experiment as Fedi clients can try out things without modifying the ActivityPub protocol.

Just wanted to share my thoughts. If one wants Fedi to become a viable alternative to corrupt American monopolists, then you must look at the UX from perspective and expectations of a median user.

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submitted 22 hours ago by otters_raft@lemmy.ca to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

This version features a redesigned video player, an improved experience for importing videos and the ability to share channel management with other accounts!

Check out the link for full details

If you are hosting an instance, see the migration notes: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/releases/tag/v8.0.0

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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) by DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Given the US recently made a bid to fast-track multiple censorship bills, KOSA included, and is also trying to kill Section 230 now, which will pose an existential threat to Fediverse instances hosted over the clearnet, how feasible would it be to host said instances over Tor/I2P?

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Fediverse Report – #146 (connectedplaces.online)

his week's #fediverse news

  • Peertube releases PeerTube v8, focusing on making the software more accessible to organisations and institutions
  • Bonfire reaches their crowdfunding goal, and a short explainer of what the software actually is, and why it confuses people
  • PieFed continues to improve, with an upcoming question-answer mode and better handling of links
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In the monthly server updates for lemmy.zip/piefed.zip there's a mantra that's repeated every month. I think it's wonderful and can be applied to the Fediverse as a whole.

If you’re new here - WELCOME! I hope you’re enjoying your time here :)

Just one small teeny-tiny request. The greatest gift you can give the Fediverse (Original: Lemmy.zip and Piefed.zip) isn’t money, praise, or interpretive dance (although we would absolutely accept the last one). Its participation.

Upvote the things you like. Start a discussion, debate, or ponder about whether water is wet or merely makes things wet. Make new communities if you don’t see one that fits your oddly specific niche obsession.
(We don’t judge. Well, we try not to judge anyway.)

The fediverse naturally ebbs and flows, tides of people come and go. But if you’ve found yourself oddly attached to this strange little corner of the internet? Wonderful. Help it breathe. Help it grow. Help it be just a tiny bit weirder in the best possible way.

So if you’ve gone to the effort of clicking Sign Up and proving you’re not a robot (unless you are, in which case hello and welcome to our new AI overlords), then please, I beg of you:

Stick around. Add your voice. It really does make this place better.

Original post by @Demigodrick@lemmy.zip

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The European Commission put a 120M EUR fine on X for DSA violations. But as the European politicians cannot get themselves to leave the platform, it shows the issues with how they understand how power works on social platforms.

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I have seen some critical views on Nostr as a part of decentralized network discussions, but most seem to be focused on culture not function.

What are the functional / protocol differences that make you prefer ActivityPub over Nostr?

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submitted 4 days ago by n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Do they have any rule that says you need a minimum number of users on a site to fall under the law?

If servers of someinstance.co.au fine if they move to hosting in Finland?

It just feels like a nightmare.

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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by yogurtwrong@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Hello, I am a person who has only used thread based "social media" their whole life. I never liked platforms such as twitter and instagram and preferred aggregators like reddit, and nowadays, lemmy.

I tried joining twitter once, failed, closed my account and went back to reddit. Same with instagram. Kind of glad that I did not use them.

I recently created an instagram account because my friends use it's messaging feature. And because my generation uses instagram handles like phone numbers of old (i am 20).

I really want an active mastodon account. There are really cool people there and there are some thoughts I can't express with the "forum format".

I mostly repost cool stuff I see, but even after joining a reasonable amount of discourse, and trying not to look like a bot, I am yet to get a workable amount of social circle. Whereas I easily fit into places like lemmy.

what am i doing wrong

edit: Just realized the title looks like a "I wanna be famous" post. It really is not

My profile: https://toot.community/@yogurtwrong

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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by King@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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A Fediverse Enhancement Proposal (FEP) is a document that provides information to the Fediverse community. The goal of a FEP is to improve interoperability and well-being of diverse services, applications and communities that form the Fediverse.

The FEP Process is an initiative of the SocialHub developer community, a liaison of the W3C Social Web Incubator Community Group.

Discovered this today. If you're on the developer side of things or are interested in how the Fediverse / ActivityPub is being built and enhanced, take a look at this codeberg repo.

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Wafrn, a tumblr inspired federated social media that connects with fedi, lemmy and bluesky (optional)

Join an open wafrn instance in https://join.wafrn.net/

@fediverse

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I noticed Bonfire is getting a lot of positive attention lately, and I wanted to try it out. They don't have a directory of instances yet. Do you have any instances that you recommend.

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I tried updating, checking spam, resending, nothing ever sends me the email (using keemail.me (tutanota)).

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  1. What is an Antenna?
  2. Can I myself create a Warning to post at my profile?
  3. Can only the channels creators post on them? Because for what I een, others can comment on them.
  4. What is a play?
  5. What is a page?
  6. What is a Clip?
  7. Is there something alike tags to posts? I liked that on tumblr.
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Fediverse Report – #145 (connectedplaces.online)

Holos is a new project to run an ActivityPub server on your mobile phone, more on Thread's user statistics, and an interview with Mastodon's creator Eugen Rochko.

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Been reading some docs and felt like drawing to get a better picture.

Some things to note:

  • Parenthesis indicate bridges
  • Fed Bridgy and Mostr appear twice because I don't know if they allow cross-communication
  • One-way arrows (→) indicate one-way communication, and two-ways arrows (⇄) indicate the two sides can talk with each other
  • Threads to/from Facebook and Instagram communication appears with an interrogation mark because the information I could find didn't feel conclusive and I don't have an account to test myself
  • Maybe I missed some bridges and protocols, but that'd be more of a lack of knowing; also intentionally ignored X/Twitter > Nitter > RSS > ActicityPub bridges because it felt too much of a stretch.
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Tell us of your experience with NOSTR (survey.superbloom.design)

This survey was created so the Nostr community can better understand itself and help advance the Nostr protocol and ecosystem.

The Fediverse is the network and NOSTR is one of its protocols.

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submitted 1 week ago by Az_1@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I've heard that lemmy and mastodon instances can be federated so that they can be accessed from each other, but i'm not sure how to use that to access mastodon instances from lemmy. I've tried doing research and found ways to access lemmy instances from mastodon but not the other way. Any help would be appreciated.

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A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, Mbin, etc).

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