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First look at Star Trek: Prodigy season 2 is out.
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Annotations for Star Trek: Prodigy Episode 2x01 Sneak Peak:
Dal refers affectionately to his friends as "criminals", since they technically stole Protostar to find the Federation. He also says that he and the others are in different divisions. As we saw in last season's finale, Rok is in Science/Xenobiology, with Jankom in Engineering and Dal I assume is in Command.
Gwyn left the others to go on a mission to her home planet of Solum, to try and stave off the war-torn future they were told about.
Jankom has a new haircut, takes sonic showers and is trying to be more polite - something a bit disturbing for Tellarites, known for their belligerence, as Zero points out. Zero is in their new suit that we saw at the end of last season.
The kids are going with Janeway on a mission, which Jankom points out will stand them in good stead when applying for Starfleet Academy. As pointed out last season, the kids are not in the Academy, but warrant officers-in-training.
The shuttle carries the registry number NCC-74656-A, indicating it belongs to the Voyager-A. The Doctor, while a hologram, can walk about thanks to his mobile emitter, a 29th Century piece of technology (VOY: "Future's End"). We saw a 25th Century version of the emitter used by Raffi in PIC: "Imposters".
The destruction of the Protostar occurred in the Season 1 finale, and opened up a wormhole to the alternate future Chatokay is now in, 52 years from now where he is a captive on Solum (about 2436-7; the last time we saw the kids it was 2384, with the Stardate in the 61000s, 20 years after TNG's first season).
Dal complains about "timey-wimey" stuff hurting his head. The term entered popular usage in the Doctor Who episode "Blink", when the Doctor said: "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff." His mentor, Janeway, also complained that time travel and paradoxes give her a headache ("Future's End").
The new ship is the USS Voyager-A, NCC-74656-A, a Lamarr Special-class starship, refitted and outfitted with technology Voyager gathered from her 7-year journey through the Delta Quadrant. It has 29 decks, 800+ crew and 2 schools, compared to Voyager's 15 decks and 160 crew. The presence of schools may either mean a training vessel or families on board.
The Doctor also mentions that the original Voyager is now a museum ship. This was established in background production art in PIC: “The Star Gazer” and confirmed when we saw her at the Fleet Museum in PIC: “The Bounty”.
The Lamarr Special-class is named after actress Hedy Lemarr, who was also a gifted inventor, patenting a frequency-hopping signal method to prevent American torpedoes from being jammed in WW II, although this was never formally adopted anywhere. There is also a claim that this helped in the development of WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS, but that’s an exaggeration at best.
The Doctor says the rest of Starfleet is busy with the Romulan Evacuation, to help the Romulans escape the impending supernova of their star, which we know has been going on since 2381 (PIC novel The Last Best Hope, LD: "The Stars at Night"). Jellico mentioned in PRO: "Masquerade" that the Federation and the Romulans were working towards peace, which tracks with this. Alas, we also know the effort will collapse very soon on April 5, 2385 with the Mars Attack (PIC: "Remembrance"). The Romulan star itself will explode in 2387 (ST 2009).
How do you fit 14 extra decks into a refit? with that many decks this ship would be the size of a sovereign class.
It’s a refitted Lamarr class, not an Intrepid class.
Yes, that is what I was saying...
As we’ve seen in PIC with the Titan-A, Starfleet engineers have a very loose definition of what constitutes a refit. Basically as long as you use some of the old structure in the new one, no matter how many doodads you add or on to expand it, they call it a refit.
I don't think that flies here. The Luna class and Neo-Connie have arguably similar internal volume so taking the bits out of a Luna could be enough to drive a Neo-Connie. Going from Intrepid sized to Sovereign sized though is a much bigger jump. Also I don't see where you're getting the word "refit" from in the first place? are you just assuming cause the ship is roughly intrepid shaped?
I may have misinterpreted what the Doctor was saying - “Lamarr Special-class… refitted from stem to stern”. He could be referring to a refitted Lamarr. I’ll edit that.
I don't think your assessment of the Luna-class and the Constitution III is accurate. They are entirely different, and the PIC production crew deciding that "refit" is basically just a word that the Starfleet Corps of Engineers will drop at a hat doesn't change that.
The instagram log that explains the history of the Titan A claims that it was constructed "using much of the internal components" of the Luna-class ship, and that's why it's a refit, but that plans to build the new ship on the spaceframe of the old were set aside mid-way through.
Obviously the Neo-Connie space frame is a new build due to its size but I don't see how that stops them from reusing the warp core, warp coils, computer core, etc.
Yeah, absolutely. But that's not really what the term refit means.
And if that is a refit in Starfleet parlance -- as the instagram log claims it is -- than what prevents the Lamaar-class Voyager from also being a refit. Keep in mind that in "The Star Gazer", Picard claimed that the new Stargazer was also a refit, and, according to Matalas, it was a refit of the Constellation-class Stargazer:
"Like the TMP Enterprise, it’s a massively updated refit. I like to think of it as the story of the broom: If one day you replace the handle, and another day the brush, is it still the same broom? We thought of it as a vessel endlessly repaired and upgraded, brought in-line with current-future tech, so that somewhere underneath all the lights and polish are the bones of Picard’s original ship. Does it make sense? I don’t know. But I sure like the spirit of it."
Now, personally, I would prefer to not take anything Terry Matalas says seriously, but a lot of people seem tot think he should be Trek's new torchbearer, so there's a good chance we'll see a lot more of this nonsense in the future.
I see what you're talking about, and don't want to see them play so fast and loose with the notion as to take old noteworthy's and heroships out of mothballs, triple the volume and call it a "refit" for nostalgia bait. But Trek does offer an interesting notion here that we don't really have in real life in that there are core valuable parts of a ship more important and possibly more enduring than its hull. We don't take reactors out of old aircraft carriers and submarines and drop them in new ships as some sort of legacy so the idea that it could arguably be done in star trek is novel.
I don't think either of us are arguing against the Federation reusing old components.
The only point of contention is that you were sceptical that the Voyager A could be a refit of an Intrepid-class starship due to the size disparity, and my argument is that, even though I am personally not a fan, the was the current crop of Trek showrunners have decided to use the term size doesn't really matter with regards to what is or is not a refit.