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i believe that hell essentially codifies not the principle of torment, but actually stagnation, which, to many people, is a form of torment.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ever heard of Universalism? There is a whole church of them. They hang out with the Unitarians.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We must imagine ~~Sisyphus~~ Hitler ~~happy~~ up to his eyeballs in a lake of boiling sewage

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Having pineapples shoved into his ass 3 times a day

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[-] reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago

Naïve. Especially since fascists exist.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

https://www.islamicfinder.org/hadith/tirmidhi/tafsir/3107/?language=en

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: When Allah drowned Fir'awn [Pharaoh of Egypt as he was pursuing Moses and the people of Benny Israel] he said: 'I believe that there is no god except the One that the children of Isra'il believe in.' So Jibrail [The Angel Gabriel] said: 'O Muhammad! If you could only have seen me, while I was taking (the mud) from the sea, and filling his mouth out of fear that the mercy would reach him.'

According to Islam no-one is beyond achieving forgiveness if they sincerely repent as the mercy and forgiveness of God is limitless. However except for explicitly mentioned people such as the Prophets, we do not know who achieves Paradise and who is punished in Hell until the day of judgement. Not even the Angels closest to God know.

[-] reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

No matter what the texts say, it's a pretty safe bet that people who willingly and actively kill or otherwise cause harm to others through their own actions or complacency will end up in a Hell if one exists.

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[-] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I read that as he hoped hell was empty as in you get sent to emptiness. Alone, nothing everywhere, for eternity.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

My interpretation is that he was implying that there is a way to escape eternal punishment, no matter how grievous the sin, and that given enough time everybody can come to grips with the wrongs they have committed and start over again with a clean slate. Either that, or his idea of a loving and merciful God is so forgiving and magnanimous that He could not bear to send even one soul to eternal damnation.

I used to read a webcomic from ages ago called Jack (Edgy NSFW material so Google it at your own risk) that had a lot of interesting takes on Abrahamic mythology. One of the things that resonated with me at the time was the concept of a personal heaven and hell, in which heaven is a reflection of your own idea of a utopia (even if that utopia for one person might be insanity for another) but hell is a reflection of the evil deeds one has committed in life and you are forced to be subjected to the same evil over and over again every day until the sinner learns the error of their ways, asks God for forgiveness, and is allowed to be born into the world once again with no knowledge of what had transpired in the afterlife.

It's a meh comic with bad artwork for the majority of it, but some bits were really good. So good that I still remember them all these years later.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Ngl, going to hell & not seeing other people there sounds kinda neat.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

the overarching theme in 1st castlevania series, was that hell was empty by summoning them as night creatures.

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[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, the individual experience for hell being empty could be awful. Alternatively, if he means that there is nobody in hell (thus it is empty) that would be a wonderful thought for most humans. But, when you think of guys like Hitler, Himler, Bormann, Göring, Saddam, the Kims, and Trump, I hope that hell is where they end up. Like, hell being empty would be ideal, for most. But, there are some who are so evil that there is no other choice for them. But, if he means that hell is just being alone, would that really be so awful? I, for one, like being left alone.

[-] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

that's a special place called purgatory

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

That's a nice thought. Charitable. Wishing to see hell empty, as in without anyone there.

[-] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Actually, per Catholic dogma, Hell is full of people like me

[-] mothersprotege@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Kinda surprised that I haven't seen any Conclave memes, what with the pope dying, and it being a recent, very relevant, movie. Watched it the other night, and it was great! I guess I should be the change I want to see.

[-] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Spoilers

!That scene towards the end when he asks the bishop "what do you know of war?" was amazing.!<

A great movie all around! Definitely one of 2024's best!

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[-] Suoko@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago

3 days have passed, it's time for bergoglio.ai

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