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submitted 3 days ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/linux@programming.dev

cross-posted from: https://rss.ponder.cat/post/165736

Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

At least in the U.S. and Canada, that is.

This was brought to my attention thanks to a Reddit post where a user (presumably a resident of Canada), had posted how Lenovo was shipping laptops with Fedora and Ubuntu at a cheaper price compared to their Windows-equipped counterparts.

Others then chimed in, saying that Lenovo has been doing this since at least 2020 and that the big price difference shows how ridiculous Windows' pricing is.

Cutting the Windows Tax

When I dug in further, I found out that the US and Canadian websites for Lenovo offered U.S. $140 and CAD $211 off on the same ThinkPad X1 Carbon model when choosing any one of the Linux-based alternatives.

Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installedLenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

US pricing on left, Canadian pricing on right.

Interestingly, while the difference in pricing is noticeable, your mileage may vary if you are looking for such laptops on the official website. Not all models from their laptop lineup, like ThinkPad, Yoga, Legion, LOQ, etc., feature an option to get Linux pre-installed during the checkout process.

Luckily, there is an easy way to filter through the numerous laptops. Just go to the laptops section (U.S.) on the Lenovo website and turn on the "Operating System" filter under the Filter by specs sidebar menu.

Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

Yes, it's as simple as that. You can do the same for the various official online regional storefronts that Lenovo runs to see whether Linux-based operating systems are being offered on their laptops in your country.

Closing Thoughts

It is good to see that Lenovo is offering Linux in its laptops. In fact, there is another big-name laptop manufacturer, Dell, who also does something similar with its Ubuntu-certified laptops, but both have the same constraint of having limited options for buyers.

Also, as far as I know, Dell doesn't reduce the pricing if you choose Linux instead of Windows. Correct me if I am wrong in the comments.

Nonetheless, I think these manufacturers could do a better job in marketing these Linux-based alternative operating systems to general consumers, showing them how they can save big when opting for these instead of the pricey and bloated Windows.

Otherwise, we might have to start observing Windows Refund Day again.

💬 Your take on this? Would mainstream users benefit from having Linux pre-installed on their laptops?


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[-] Daryl@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago

Only on North America, you say?

pity.

For at least the last decade, Europe has been abandoning Microsoft in droves.

I suspect soon Microsoft will be unknown in Europe except as "That system they use over there."

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

The system that should not be named!

[-] Robbity@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Then they will unironically call it the freedom OS

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago
[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

More manufacturers need to do this!

[-] wolfyvegan@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Some do! Or at least, they give you a choice of OS at different price points. NovaCustom, Eurocom, and AVA Direct come to mind. Of course, there are also plenty of vendors that ONLY offer GNU/Linux pre-installed...

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[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 42 points 3 days ago

That's great! - But. But, I hope some people check it out carefully. Some years ago, Lenovo middle-man'd the SSL root certificate on laptops so they could inject ads into Https web pages. (And spy on users? Steal passwords? Manipulate bank accounts? I hope not...)

I wonder what they could hide in an own Linux install?

[-] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 days ago

Dell did the same thing - in the same year too.

You should always clean install your OS. Let the guys wanting to spy on you put some effort in.

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

Really?! Do you have a source? I'd like to look this up!

[-] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 days ago

https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-remove-dells-superfish-2-0-root-certificate-permanently/

It’s actually called eDellRoot, not Superfish though.

You can safely assume that probably every manufacturer did or still does similar thing - whether they’re caught is another story though.

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago
[-] trouble@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

Do you have any reputable articles of this? I’m interested cheers

[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 26 points 3 days ago
[-] trouble@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago

Thank you that’s appalling and I’m glad I build my own pcs

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Just look it up. It made the news rounds about 10 or so years ago. It was a big deal at the time. Just about everyone covered it and Lenovo acknowledged it and, IIRC they apologized for it

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 74 points 3 days ago

This is awesome and I love it. Maybe they could even take a few more dollars off by not having any OS installed (bypassing the labor costs of imaging an SSD). I’ll be installing my own copy anyway, so I’m fine with a blank SSD.

[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 41 points 3 days ago

Those manufacturers where you can select either Linux or no OS don't charge extra for Linux.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

I mean it’s like maybe a dollar or two for the labor costs, so that’s understandable. I’d still prefer just a blank SSD anyway.

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

It's likely done in an automated way by the same equipment that tests the hardware, so costs are probably more along the lines of a few fractions of a penny, and imo shipping any device without an os at all is a bit silly as they could very likely end up in the hands of someone without the capability or equipment to image them.

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 62 points 3 days ago

It kinda blows my mind that "no OS" isn't the cheapest option

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 days ago

It's the same reason that you have to pay more to stream videos without ads...

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 13 points 3 days ago

Yeah, smart TVs with no OS are way more expensive than the ones riddled with ads as well.

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[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

I seem to recall in the past Microsoft pressured manufacturers to not sell computers without an operating system, arguing that unscrupulous consumers would install pirated copies of Windows on them. A ridiculous argument, but it was the excuse they used.

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I bought a laptop without a Windows license from Lenovo years ago. It came with FreeDOS, if I remember correctly. I wanted to install Linux, so I didn't care. In some areas they've been offering this for a while now.

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Free rainbow socks or no deal!

[-] ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca 43 points 3 days ago

2025 is the year of the Linux ~~desktop~~ laptop!

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[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

Year of the Linux desktop is here! /s

[-] aicse@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago

Now they need to make the BIOS updates installable from Linux or ability to flash them from the BIOS. But I like this move, hope more start doing so.

[-] polle@feddit.org 21 points 3 days ago
[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

which is integrated into the app store on fedora, at least

[-] polle@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

I can confirm this too for kubuntu.

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[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 36 points 3 days ago

I thought OEMs only paid like $10 for Windows?

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 36 points 3 days ago

they tend to make money off it due to the bundle deals and commissions and what-not.

a major oem charging $140-200 is all profit.

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[-] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 days ago

Here in Europe it was possible to buy almost all laptops and desktops from Lenovo without OS preinstalled since long time, saved a lot of money that way. It's nice that they officially offer Linux now.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 12 points 3 days ago

Installing my own OS is half the fun of getting a new computer. Why would I want the manufacturer to install an OS?

[-] Baguette@lemm.ee 32 points 3 days ago

a nice 140 usd discount sounds like a decent incentive

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[-] lengau@midwest.social 18 points 3 days ago

Good way to check that all the parts are working before putting whatever you want on it.

[-] EndHD@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago

you get the discount + you can reinstall it yourself/install a different distro + it shows the general market how much of the cost is due to a Windows license and other OS alternatives, creating more informed consumers

i see it as a benefit

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[-] hellofriend@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Because laptop manufacturers don't make laptops for people who want to install their own OSes. The average tech illiterate just wants something that works out of the box.

[-] dyc3@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Idk maybe so you can start using it?

Nothing is stopping you from throwing out the OEM install.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 days ago

Computer companies tried that for a while like 15 years ago, too.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Except now you don't need to run proprietary software. Everything is online. If Chromebooks work for 90% of users, Linux will work for even more.

[-] SpaceCheeseWizard@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago

The timing here with compatability getting better could be a huge difference maker.

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