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[-] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ICE walked into that courthouse without a judicial warrant - no judge authorized the attempted arrest of the defendant, who I might add voluntarily appeared for his court hearing.

This is the real threat, folks. This is one of many vicious cycles they want to start. Arrest immigrants at their own hearings, when they are already complying with the will of the state. Convince others not to show up to court, make them fear any and all interactions with the state, then accuse them of being fugitives and label all of them criminals by default.

An administrative warrant doesn't mean shit to a judge. She had every right to tell them to go talk to her boss, and in the meantime? She opened the back door.

That's it. That's the crime worthy of arresting a judge. A middle aged Milwaukee woman doing her goddamn job.

She opened a door and let the defendants - who had entered her courtroom legally and voluntarily - depart safely.

These are thugs, these are kidnappers, these are criminals. Obstructing ICE is NOT obstructing justice, because ICE is the one breaking laws and stripping away the rights of every American. They act without legal authority, they act without judicial approval, and they act without any regard for freedom, or rights, or basic human dignity.

It is the goddamn right and responsibility of every American to obstruct ICE at every opportunity, because there is no justice when Judges are forced to bow to them.

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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

This is a coup

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

I really wish independent journalism existed so you could find out basic facts like "how often does the FBI normally arrest judges?" "Has a judge ever been arrested for obstruction of justice?" "Do they never get arrested inside a courthouse?"

I'm sure Judges sometimes commit crimes, just like everyone else. Are they normally given special deference and not arrested? Do they only get arrested for serious charges, and normally they get special dispensation because of their judge status?

Arresting judges does sound alarming, but without context it's impossible to know just how norm-breaking it is.

For example, if a judge is pulled over and found to be driving drunk, I most definitely would want that judge arrested and charged. Not arresting and charging a judge in that situation sounds like institutional corruption. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but I don't know because these journalists aren't doing their damn jobs.

Don't get me wrong, in this case I'm pretty convinced that the Trump people are overstepping their bounds. It seems like a pattern of attacking the judiciary. And, this isn't the judges being arrested for driving drunk or accepting bribes. This is judges being arrested for things related to immigration. Immigration, in particular, is something that the Trump administration is doing completely unlawfully.

But, how can we have any kind of informed dialogue when the standard of reporting is: "One side said 'It's outrageous they arrested a judge', the other side said 'the administration won't accept judges breaking the law.' The judge may have been a democrat."

[-] 10001110101@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Probably because the article is from a business news outlet. I have heard a lawyer talk about the case, saying it was very unusually for her to be arrested for such charges (Leeja Miller I believe; not really a journalist, just a youtuber).

[-] CherryBullets@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

First they came for the immigrants, But I said nothing, Because I'm not a filthy immigrant.

Then they came for the protestors, But I said nothing, Because protesters are libtards.

Then they came for the judges and politicians, But I said nothing, Because they are all corrupt and evil.

Then they came for the minorities, But I said nothing, Because they deserve it!

And then they came for me, Because I was a gullible tool.

  • A future MAGAT survivor.
[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

They would never admit it. They would say "and then they came for me, and I have no idea why"

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

They wouldn't say "no idea why." They would blame the immigrants.

[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

I said this before…when the fuck do we rise up? Or are we going to sit in the pot and boil?

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I blame the "fuck you got mine" mentality that's become ingrained in Americans. A revolution requires selflessness but Americans aren't equipped for that.

[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Agreed, things haven’t been good for years. But since Covid this country went from “we the people” to “me, me, me.”

[-] admin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I feel it started before and it was like that before covid. I'm gen Z and I remember around 2017 the rise of popularity of songs about "me me me being the #1 gang banger the gangster, them bitches love me, them ni**as hating" among the people in my age group, and it sorta just grew from there.

What I noticed during covid and once TikTok style videos became mainstream was sort of a "normalization" or acceptance of the phenomena mentioned above.

Remember Wall-E were everyone in the future is a fat individualistic human being, connected to a bed on wheels with a screen and everyone seems to be doing their own thing with no resemblance of families, couples, friends, goals?

[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Agreed I’m 42 and personally growing up in the late 80s and 90s I feel like Regan and Rush Limbaugh were both a big influence on the situation the country is in now. And honestly, you can go back to Nixon and JFK getting assassinated as the main focal point from when America stopped being America and became more conservative and for the money and for the wealthy.

[-] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

I think you guys are going to sit and boil.

If you ask me, things should have started burning a few months ago.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I think you’re 100% correct.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, this is a exactly what Trump wants. He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections. All of this is calculated.

[-] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections.

And the alternative is sit and let ICE blackbag innocents?

The US has the 2nd amendment, which they love so much. ICE should be getting gunned down in the street by this point.

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If I'm not mistaken, a full national declaration of martial law would require not only approval of individual state legislatures, but also the loyalty of the military and the National Guard in every state.

By bypassing laws and regulations, totally disregarding checks and balances now that mechanism is compromised, the bastard need not to declare martial law to spread terror.

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[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Where the hell have you been for the last few years? Americans won't do shit. The tech oligarchy and the facists have the population exactly where they want them to be, struggling and unable to take actions.

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[-] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Please remember: the ICE “arrests” are KIDNAPPINGS BY NON-UNIFORMED CIVILIANS. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

If you see a gang of 4 dudes with beards and guns and jeans and polo shirts … treat it like the kidnapping it is.

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[-] supernight52@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And thus, the Night of Long Knives begins.*

Edit: The AP, as of 15 min ago has posted an update: "Dugan was taken into custody by the FBI on Friday morning on the courthouse grounds, according to U.S. Marshals Service spokesperson Brady McCarron. She appeared briefly in federal court in Milwaukee later Friday before being released from custody. Her next court appearance is May 15."

Thank goodness, she has been released- even if she is still going on trial for a trumped-up charge.

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

accusation is:

“intentionally misdirected federal agents away” from Eduardo Flores Ruiz as agents were attempting to arrest him at her courthouse last week.

so this isn’t about her ruling against trump, but her directly protecting an individual from ice….

so it’s not the long knives yet, she a hero, but it’s not the mass revenge murders… yet

so this isn’t about her ruling against trump, but her directly protecting an individual from ice….

Actually it's very indirect. The accusation implies that she told ICE agents "he's over there!" and scattered like a cartoon distraction. In reality, she told them they had no jurisdiction in the court, and that they had to go talk to her boss.

That's not misdirection, that's just normal workplace behavior. They don't have jurisdiction in the courtroom, therefore they were not pursuing justice in the courtroom, therefore it can't be obstruction of justice to tell them to fuck off.

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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn't enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.

Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You're going to need it for what is coming.

[-] SpitefulSprite@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

So what do we do... We know what the response should be.. but are we gonna do it...

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