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[-] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 145 points 2 weeks ago

apt is a newer, more user-friendly front-end for apt-get and apt-cache.

apt = combines commands like install, remove, update, upgrade into one tool, with prettier output

#apt-get = older, lower-level, more script-friendly For normal use, just use apt now. For scripting where 100% backward compatibility matters, use apt-get.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 week ago

TIL apt isn't literally the same thing as apt-get

[-] slappypantsgo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

I didn’t even realize I thought this, but reading your comment I definitely did.

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[-] twice_hatch@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago

But apt-get also has install, remove, update and upgrade...

[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

Yes, but apt-get is missing search for instance, because that relates to the cache, so apt-cache provides it.

apt combines all those often used commands, and provides a nicer shell presentation.

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

This should be top comment.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 120 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

These days, apt is for humans whereas apt-get is for scripts. apt's output is designed for humans and may change between releases, whereas apt-get is guaranteed to remain consistent to avoid breaking scripts.

apt combines several commands together. For example, you can use it to install packages from both repos and local files (e.g. apt install ./foo.deb) whereas apt-get is only for packages from repos and you'd need to use dpkg for local packages.

[-] pelya@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago
[-] grue@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot to "beep boop." Please report for debugging.

[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Will they take me off the cron schedule?? I'm scared

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

You and me both, makes sense though for me LMAO

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I always struggled with captchas and now I know why.

[-] dan@upvote.au 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Or a long time Debian user from before the apt command!

[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Huh TIL.

I never considered trying to install a package from a local file through apt, but always dpkg. End result is the same of course. The web suggests dpkg rather than apt as well ( or at least the pages I ended up on ).

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago

Discord is distributed as a .Deb if you don't use flatpak because they can't be bothered to set up a repo.

The very useful thing about local file install is that unlike dpkg, apt will install dependencies automatically

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[-] dan@upvote.au 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

apt and apt-get both use dpkg internally, but these days it's essentially seen as an implementation detail that regular users don't need to know about.

dpkg doesn't resolve dependencies (that's a feature of apt) which means that if you install a Debian package with dpkg, you'll have to manually install all dependencies first, and they won't be marked as automatically installed (so autoremove won't remove them if they're not needed any more). Using apt solves that.

The web suggests dpkg because either the articles are old, or they're based on outdated knowledge :)

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[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 107 points 2 weeks ago

The binary is called apt-get. There are others like apt-cache etc.

Apt is a script that just figures out which binary to use and passes the arguments on.

  • apt update -> apt-get update
  • apt policy -> apt-cache policy
[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 44 points 2 weeks ago

You know, I thought I knew why, but this was new information to me, so I guess I didn't.

Thanks for sharing this concise explico!

[-] Matombo@feddit.org 48 points 1 week ago

apt-get has a fixed format machine parseable output

apts output tries to be more human readable and is subject to change

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[-] Microw@lemm.ee 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

🎵

APT, APT, APT, APT

Just meet me at the...

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[-] Barometer3689@feddit.nl 15 points 1 week ago

jesus I feel old, and I am only in my 30s. I remember not having apt. How young are linux users nowadays?

[-] splendoruranium@infosec.pub 12 points 1 week ago

jesus I feel old, and I am only in my 30s. I remember not having apt. How young are linux users nowadays?

Well... how old were you when you got your first computer? That young.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Dicey proposition, some mid and older genX grew up before home computers were commonplace.

When I was in my tweens, only really affluent people had computers. Schools had one single computer in a classroom or maybe a couple in a lab, and almost no one was computer literate.

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[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

I got tennis shoes older than you, (literally a pair of original Converse I bought new back in the 1970s). I was there before the original chains of Unix, DOS, and finally Linux were foraged. I saw OS2 die in battle. And I saw the dark time of when paper and pencils and slide rules vanished from this earth.

The knowledge of apt-get and apt only matters to those warriors of the Cli when they wield the sword of sudo to vanquish the evils that exist when upgrading. For they do the bidding of the dark wizards of Dev, holders of the command su.

Now that I have demonstrated my age by showing everyone how senile I am. 'apt install' is aimed at users to give a nicer response to it's use. It need not be backwards compatible either. 'Apt-get install' is older and is meant to be usable as a lower level command and to work with other APT based tools.

What does this mean for you today? Not a damn thing. I still always type: sudo apt-get install when using a deb based dsitro out of sheer habit. But it's not needed the vast majority of the unwashed masses. So feel free to just type apt install to help prevent carpel finger nail.

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago
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[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I came in for the jokes but all I found was helpful responses. Did I get the Nazi virus from Reddit?

[-] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 12 points 2 weeks ago

Following this post for replies, for a friend of course

[-] RustyNova@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You may want to tell your friend to check it now!

[-] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 4 points 2 weeks ago

Friends says thanks, friend !

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

This is one of the reasons I need to set up Linux at home. I use it at work but who knows what the flavor of the week is?

At this point I can’t tell the difference between yum and rpm and apt and dnf

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Edit: realized you meant in the sense of hot swapping flavors after I typed out a whole explanation lol. Should start recommending niche distros and collect package managers like trading cards lol.

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yum = dnf, dnf is just the newer version which was rewritten several times.

apt is a weird attempt to "upgrade" apt-get with better user interface without messing with the compatibility of apt-get used by scripts and whatnot.

Both of these are dependency handling package managers which do all the magic of installing required subpackges when you want something.

rpm is the underlying system package manager which deals with the actual task of installing, removing, and generating packages in the .rpm format. It is analogous to Debian's dpkg which uses the .deb format. It's usually not used by the end user unless you need to play with a package directly like with a .rpm or .deb file.

Hence why some distros (or people) have their own dependency package manager, like zypper on OpenSUSE (rpm) or Aptitude on Debian (deb).

Although I think Aptitude might just be a fancy wrapper for apt lol.

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

apt is newer and mostly supersedes apt-get/apt-cache/etc tools, tries to be a more-approachable frontend.

They interoperate though, so if you're happy with using a mix of them, go for it. I generally just use apt.

EDIT: There were also some older attempts to produce a unified frontend, like aptitude.

[-] Colloidal@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

Aptitude is great (my favorite way of managing packages), but it's a TUI program. You can use it as CLI, at which point it mimics apt-get.

So I would say it never attempted to unify apt commands, by rather it successfully provided a user friendly way to do most (all?) of what you could do with apt CLI tools.

[-] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

mostly supersedes apt-get/apt-cache/etc tools,

Except for in scripts. Debian guarantee that the output format of apt-get will never change and thus it's safe to use in scripts that parse the output, whereas they don't have the same guarantee for apt, which can change between releases.

[-] randamumaki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wait until you learn of aptitude...

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[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago

Me use apt. Why use many letter when few letter do trick?

[-] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

One has super cow powers, the other one doesn't.

[-] keen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Use apt in the shell and use apt-get in scripts, because apt has beautiful shell output but it isn't script safe

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'll just copy whatever is in the guide I'm following at the time.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Here lie dragons. Make sure you understand commands that you run on your computer. 👍

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[-] four@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

When working with RHEL I always flip a coin to see if I'm gonna use yum or dnf this time

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