Bazzite has a very simple process for installing software that isn't on Flatpak: You spin up a virtual machine running a better distro and install it there
Bazzite is the better distro because you install things in a distrobox. Muck around, break things in there, but your main distro stays safe, secure and stable.
Until the keys change. And you spend forever wondering why it updates every day only to realize it was the same update over and over and over, and the only way they announce they broke things is a GitHub issue.
I love Bazzite, daily it on my gaming PC. But imutable distros do have challenges, and installing non-standard software is defintlately one of them.
Hmmm. I use QubesOS mainly for the ability to have a separate VM for different things that I can muck around in and not break shit. Does bazzite offer a similar experience?
You don't run a VM for everything with Bazzite, Distrobox is more like Flatpak or WSL in that regard.
It also isn't much more secure, it's just that everything is a bit more contained and comes with their own dependencies.
So it's kinda like a docker container its got its own filesystem and root runtime but not its own kernel?
Distrobox is just a set of shell scripts that controlls Podman under the hood. Not only is it like docker, it literally uses the same container format (ContainerD).
Huh the more u know lol
Eh, it's fedora under the hood with SELinux enabled, and immutable, better than most security wise, I didn't say much more.
I replied to @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee and understood the question like "Is distrobox as secure as QubesOS?", which I replied with "No".
I'd say Fedora Atomic is definitely a bit more secure than other distros (e.g. Ubuntu, regular Fedora, etc.) for reasons you mentioned, but if you are a user that thinks that only Qubes offers the security you need, than there's no alternative.
I can recommend you Secureblue tho as a good middle ground.
It's Fedora Atomic, but hardened, a bit like GrapheneOS. Still viable for comfortable everyday use, but much more secure.
I replied to @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee and understood the question like “Is distrobox as secure as QubesOS?”, which I replied with “No”.
Ahh, fair cop. Good point on Secureblue, but my threat model doesn't take me there.
rpm-ostree install would like to have a word with you
They do specifically, multiple times, in multiple places in the wiki... tell you that you really, really shouldn't use rpm-ostree unless you absolutely know exactly what you are doing... because you can run into dependency conflict hell, and then the tree build will fuck up.
Bazzite updates to a newer version of a shared dependency, but something you manually added... has not?
Or visa versa, your custom thing requires a newer version, or some dependency that is for whatever reason just a conflicting fork of an existing dependency?
Something is gonna break, potentially lots of somethings.
This made me lol today, thank you
its in the ubuntu or debian toolbox. distrobox is pretty freaking awesome.
I love bazzite for handheld consoles but before I install it on my desktop there needs to be version based on ordinary 'non-immutable' fedora kde. That being said, immutable distros are more stable
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What's your problem with the image based OS?
If there's really anything you need, you can layer it or build your own image quite easily.
Unlikely to happen. Not only is all their build tooling etc. made for immutable distros (and they have a lot of other ones besides Bazzite), but it would also mean throwing away the biggest advantages for little gain.
I've been using it on my laptop for over 6 months now and it has been fantastic.
I mean, if you're really hardcore, you can build your own immutable distro image using the distro you want... but that's way above my paygrade. I don't think it's that difficult, just something I have no intention of learning.
I switched from Bazzite to Garuda to get away from it being immutable. It's been great.
Bazzite has a very simple process for installing software that isn’t on Flatpak: You spin up a virtual machine running a better distro and install it there
Seems like someone didn't bother reading any of the documentation... There are like 4 alternative ways to do it, including using apt (in a distrobox).
yt-dlp AND btop isnt on the default app store on Bazzite. Im sure theres a way to get them installed, but it was rather annoying playing my game, watching a video on the side, finding a video that looks worth keeping, and i cant download it
yt-dlp works just fine for me on bazzite. I think I just use the app image? I even made an alias for it in my bashrc file so I only need to type "yt".
Some other tips: play around with BoxBuddy (distrobox) for a bit if you haven't yet.
You can use apt if you want, just create a Debian distrobox. BoxBuddy allows you to easily create shortcuts to apps installed in distroboxes to run them directly on your host system. So once you create it you never have to mess with the box again if you don't want to.
I came from EndeavourOS, so I just made an Arch distrobox that I can use to get packages from the AUR.
"ujust update" (or the bazzite system updater thing) command will update all of your distrobox images (and any apps installed on them) as part of the process. And if you mess something up, or decide you don't want it, you just delete the distrobox.
It's actually pretty easy, and I think it's cool that your distro doesn't really matter anymore.
Yeah, things are different on Bazzite. You can install things via homebrew as well. For yt-dlp use brew install yt-dlp (same command for btop). If something isn't on homebrew too, there is a distrobox option. If you get used to AUR, Bazzite can be a little tedious.
If you get used to AUR, Bazzite can be a little tedious.
I just use my Arch distrobox to access AUR if I need to (though I don't think I've had to).
rpm-ostree is an adjustment, but now that I understand it more and know all of my options for installing packages, I think it's fantastic.
The devs recommend against using rpm-ostree but yeah, distrobox is limitless. It's just doing things different way. I also like how Bazzite (or Aurora) adds a program as a menu shortcut installed via distrobox, pretty convenient.
I just mean learning how the ostree shit works in general for the most part. For pinning images and learning how to rollback if needed, etc.
I try not to install things using rpm-ostree unless absolutely necessary.
Edit: I probably should have just said "ostree" in the original comment.
What are you running Bazzite on? I'm using it on my Legion Go as my daily driver. I love it for the most part, but there's still plenty to learn.
Not OP, but I've got Bazzite on my Steam Deck and Bluefin on my laptop as my daily. I'm rather loving the set it and forget it nature of it while still having plenty of room to play when I need to.
I use bazzite on my desktop.
The problem with the set it and forget it nature is that when updates stop working, it "forgets" to tell you.
If you layer any packages, you will run into this, but even without package layering, there have been a number of bugs reported recently about this.
I have auto updates and notifications on (and I switched them off and on again and verified the settings) and haven't gotten a single update notification for months even though I can update manually successfully.
bazzinga
I don't technically consider container images as virtual machines proper....but what do I know.
Hey checkout DistroShelf.
I though BoxBuddy was installed by default on uBlue distros? It works quite well, too.
I can confirm that BoxBuddy is installed by default on Bazzite.
I think some people just haven't read the documentation, and think it's flatpak or bust.
So I realize this is a meme community but why not, its on topic:
... How is one supposed to install say, I2P, I2PD ... on Bazzite?
I have tried the flatpak but it doesn't work properly because it only installs at the user level via the app store/flatpak... not the system level.
I have tried to figure out how to set it up in a distro box and am apparently too stupid to figure this out.
I am also apparently too stupid to figure out which of the like 8 different kinds of ports I2P uses for one thing or another... I actually need to forward in my router.
help plz
It would be DNF in this case
I have Debian on my Legion Go because of this.
You could have just made a Debian distrobox
Are you a Bazzite dev?
It's okay, I promise we still like Bazzite. We're just haha-ing over here, nothing personal.
I am not, I just really like it lol... And people seem to have lots of misconceptions about it so I like to try to clear that stuff up when I see it.
I moved to Cachy for my Ally now. It's swap implementation allow me to set the VRAM on auto and play Last Epoch and my TTW install without crashing due to running out of RAM.
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