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[-] zewm@lemmy.world 160 points 1 month ago

I had a stroke reading the thread title.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 1 month ago

The lost data is appearing inThe lost data is appearing in this thread.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

@moe90@feddit.nl clearly doesn't give a shit. They're a serial poster.

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Surprise, surprise.

Forcing security measures onto someone who doesn't understand them or know how to recover their data if something goes wrong is a bad idea.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

HEY, @moe90@feddit.nl

FIX YOUR FUCKING TITLE lazy ass

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

don't you mean, "FIX YOUR FUCKING TITLEFIX YOUR TITLE FUCKING lazy ass"

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago
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[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fix that title gore please

~~Windows 11 users reportedly losing data due to Microsoft's forced~~Windows 11 users reportedly losing data due to Microsoft's forced BitLocker encryption

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Tagging OP @moe90@feddit.nl until they quit being a lazy bitch and actually fix their title.

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[-] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 month ago
[-] ogeist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Nailed it, that is how ransomware works.

in Italian gangster voice "Hey Buddy, give me your information, fair price for security, eh?, What? Do you not trust me? Buddy, you may lose your information, we wouldn't want that, right?, just make an account I'll handle the rest"

[-] Bitflip@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 month ago

The bot that posted this is not programmed to edit typos.

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[-] Rooki@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

Yeah it can happen, when you force people without their consent encrypting their data.

[-] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Isn't that what Iphone and Android already do?

[-] Object@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

One major difference is that it is so much easier to lock yourself out of the desktop TPM chip compared to mobile device security chips because they're not tightly coupled.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Huh .. I never noticed. Probably because my phone OS never failed to boot, requiring me to pull data off the HDD directly.

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago
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[-] ober9000@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

It tech here. Yup sure does. For enterprise customers it gets saved in active directory anyway. But for home users, no way. For new devices I always create a local account and turn off bitlocker if it happens to be enabled. Most people don't remember their email password, some don't even remember their email address. So many times I've had to remove the drive of a dead PC or laptop and copy all their files off of it, because people just don't make backups. But already happenend a few times now that a private customer got suckered into making a Microsoft account by one of those full screen pop ups. Probably set it up with an E-Mail some relative of theirs created just so they can download stuff of their Phones App store. And all their stuff just gets automatically encrypted. Bye Bye all the photos you had taken for the last 10 years. Thanks Microsoft.

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[-] ArkyonVeil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

I'm of the opinion that encryption based security should be compartmentalized. IE, an encrypted folder, or "safe" app. Safes in housing are already a concept that is already commonly known so it would be natural to extend a safe into the digital realm. This would also help in the idea that safes are locked with a key, so if the user loses their keys, whatever is inside the safe, might as well be lost.

Now if EVERYTHING is a safe, (always on encryption). People will never known the difference. Its a dangerous type of security that is likely to be more a loss than a benefit.

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[-] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago

What a stinker of an OS. Linux never looked so good

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Its why I switched to Linux.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago
[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

But I use arch BTW

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[-] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I saw this problem coming a mile away

[-] LumpyPancakes@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Must have been a massive monitor.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've decided to switch to Linux come october. I have some reasons I wanna wait as long as I can, but come october I'm leaving Windows behind.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

I've decided to switch my gaming PC to Linux...a few weeks ago.

No ragrets. My games run faster, I no longer need extra shit to make Windows work the way I want it to work, and I can remote into it however I want without running into artificial roadblocks.

[-] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Get started early so you have time to acclimate and address issues. You are going to hate it if you urgently need your computer for something and something unexpected happens.

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

I'm in favor of a heavy handed push towards encryption, I think most people don't realize how important this is (now more than ever), but windows should be guiding and educating on this not requiring, and it should have absolutely nothing to do with an email address or online account.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

On a home PC, what for? The only data that really matters to be encrypted is my keepass database file. Giving the option is fine but I don't think it should done without asking the user to choose.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago
[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago
[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I blame bitlocker.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

When are stockholders going to realize that the current Microsoft CEO is ruining Windows?

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[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 6 points 1 month ago

How are these people losing access to their MS accounts on their computers?

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 41 points 1 month ago

Step one, be forced to create a Microsoft account.

Step two, create the account with a password you are SURE you remember

Step three, create a PIN so you never have to enter your password

Step four, forget your password

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I guess there is a password recovery feature with Microsoft accounts, but people don't remember which email they signed up with?

Maybe it would help to read the initial reddit thread and not this article.

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 6 points 1 month ago

people don't remember which email they signed up with

No. We are the top 5%-10% of users

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[-] kernelle@0d.gs 17 points 1 month ago

All the time, then people get ran around in circles, are given a too technical explanation and give up more often than not.

The encryption is not inherently a bad thing, but forcing people into account creation is where the trouble starts. With piss-poor customer support as the cherry on top, this should never be allowed.

[-] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 month ago

I'd say it's a bad thing because it's the wrong threat model as a default.

More home users are in scenarios like "I spilled a can of Diet Sprite into my laptop, can someone yank the SSD and recover my cat pictures" than "Someone stole my laptop and has physical access to state secrets that Hegseth has yet to blurt on Twitch chat". Encryption makes the first scenario a lot harder to easily recover from, and people with explicit high security needs should opt into it or have organization-managed configs.

[-] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

“Someone stole my laptop and has physical access to state secrets that Hegseth has yet to blurt on Twitch chat”.

Thanks for making me laugh. It's been a while.

[-] kernelle@0d.gs 5 points 1 month ago

I agree, the encryption should be deliberate choice. And we've said nothing yet about the impact on performance.

You used to almost be forced to make a recovery CD or USB when encrypting a drive, now people don't even know how 'important' the MS account actually is.

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[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago
[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

All of the data I actually care about is stored on a NAS and backed up in triplicate. The only data actually on my PC are program files.

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[-] polle@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

I read the article but am not smarter than before. I heard some time ago that windows does encrypt the drive but you need an active online account and the key will be saved online. So do people forget their online passwords and methods to recover that said account? I dont like m$ and am using linux, but people loosing their passwords, being uninformed about their systems and dont so backups is not the direct fault of the operating system.

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