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And people still buy Apple products?

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[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 22 points 2 days ago

99 % of smartphone users don't care about USB-C transfer speeds because they only use the port for charging. Maybe a fraction of these users uses wired CarPlay, which works the same with USB 2.0 speeds. Maybe some users use a USB-C to headphone jack adapter which works the same as well.

There's a tiny fraction of users that'll ever notice the speed difference (because they use the port for actual data transfer) but they won't find reading a spec sheet confusing.

[-] Robaque@feddit.it 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Worth noting however that Apple have already made file transfer from iphones to anything outside their ecosystem a pain:

iphone to external drive on a mac is a nightmare. Can't use the photos app, so you gotta use image capture which is laggy as hell and you either can "select all" or else you have to scroll through and select manually if you just want to transfer the latest photos.

For iphone to linux, granted, whoever's using linux will likely be more familiar with the command line, but libimobiledevice and ifuse are anything but intuitive for the non-tech-savvy.

As for windows, Apple still wants you to use the apple-approved way but iirc I have, inconsistently, been able to get into the DCIM folder.

But even then once you do get into DCIM, the internal folder structure is absurd. Albums are just an illusion, all you get is a bunch of "###APPLE" folders containing around 1000 photos each, and to top it off you also gotta deal with the heic format. And if you wanted to access anything that isn't photos or videos, good luck. On linux I've more albums than DCIM have showed up but they mostly just seemed to contain metadata files. I get that the user isn't "supposed" to deal with this folder, but with the apple ecosystem so closed off and unfriendly to anything not-apple-approved, there isn't really an alternative.

Slower transfer speeds is just the cherry on top.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

iphone to external drive on a mac is a nightmare.

Yes, it should be better. But you know how you mass-produce a product at a competitive price (though premium) and sell a shitload of them? By optimizing for the average user. They should be awesome in every area. But when you choose what you focus on, it's not the tiny number of users with niche needs. This is similar to arguing that they should have higher than 10Gbps transfer speeds. It's not useful for enough people to justify the cost. And software is a cost, just as is hardware. Source: worked in software.

[-] Robaque@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago

Sure, I don't doubt that cost cutting factors into apple's decision making, but it really feels like they went out of their way to make the internal file system intentionally awkward. I'm not particularly inclined to just chalk it up to cost cutting when it adds up to quite a pattern of controlling users' access to their own data, which plays right into their infamously closed ecosystem.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 17 hours ago

I'm a unix nerd. They built their OS on unix. It's not unix anymore, but I don't think they're intentionally making it difficult. I had more trouble going from unix/linux to windows understanding where files were.

[-] LostXOR@fedia.io 41 points 2 days ago

Only Pro models support reasonable speeds for USB-C, up to 10Gbps. Regular iPhones are capped at USB 2.0 rates, up to 480Mbps, which is no faster than Lightning. With an iPhone 16 Pro, a 1GB file transfer can take 8 seconds -- with a vanilla iPhone 16, you're going to be waiting over 16 minutes.

...What? At 10Gbps a 1GB transfer takes under a second, while at 480Mbps it would take about 17 sec. Was this article written by AI or did the author just not care to actually do the math?

[-] sanzky@beehaw.org 20 points 2 days ago

they are mixing gigabits with gigabytes so that is confusing. but even then, the math is still wrong for the usb 2 speeds.

[-] LostXOR@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago

My best guess is they somehow mixed up minutes and seconds? Usually people mix up bits and bytes the other way and overestimate speeds.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, that’s largely due to hardware manufacturers’ and ISPs’ marketing teams wanting to show bigger numbers. “1 Gbps” sounds a lot cooler than “0.125 GBps”. But file sizes are almost always measured in bytes, not bits. And the difference between Gb and GB is subtle, at best. So a layman will easily assume that 1Gbps will transfer a 1GB file in 1 second.

And don’t even get me started on the difference between GB and fucking GiB…

[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 3 points 1 day ago

Data communication speeds have always been in bits/second. No marketing teams involved, it’s just the most logical way.

[-] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago

I mean I don’t think I’ve ever seen USB 2 actually hit the 480mbps theoretical speeds, usually it’s much slower

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago

The maximum real world speed for USB 2 is around 320Mbps or 40MB/s, but that only happens if there is only one device connected to the USB controller. 30MB/s is much more typical.

[-] Zanz@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Those are the bi directional bandwidth not the file transfer speeds going one way.

[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 days ago

Only Pro models support reasonable speeds for USB-C, up to 10Gbps. Regular iPhones are capped at USB 2.0 rates, up to 480Mbps, which is no faster than Lightning. With an iPhone 16 Pro, a 1GB file transfer can take 8 seconds -- with a vanilla iPhone 16, you're going to be waiting over 16 minutes.

10Gbps is about 20x more than 480Mbs but 8secs times 20 is 160secs which is a lot less than 16minutes so what is going on with this calculation?

With an iPhone 16 Pro, a 1GB file transfer can take 8 seconds

1GB / 10Gbps = 1GB / 1.25GBps = 0.8secs

with a vanilla iPhone 16, you're going to be waiting over 16 minutes.

1GB / 480Mbps = 1GB / 0.48Gbps = 1GB / 0.06GBps = 16.67secs

Wow what a great article, well done.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago

Only off by a few orders of 10^x.

Typical shit journalism can't be bothered to look at the units on their calculator.

[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

I usually don't like to dogpile onto authors but I went to look at their article history (at least at this outlet) and they look to be almost Invariably Click-bait and or AI Trash.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

Sounds like the writer confused Mbps with MB/s or something.
But even then it's kinda weird.

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[-] B0rax@feddit.org 76 points 2 days ago

Pro models have USB 3 or 4 Non pro iOS devices have USB2

Not confusing… but I guess this is enough for an article

[-] remon@ani.social 65 points 2 days ago

Take any usb-c charger, plug it in and it will charge. We just covered 90% of use cases.

Beyond that:

old phone: slow data transfer.

new phone: faster data transfer but still slower then computer.

So very confusing.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 25 points 2 days ago

Not old vs new phones. Anything not Pro is 2.0.

[-] dan@upvote.au 28 points 2 days ago

480Mbps ought to be enough for anybody.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 20 points 2 days ago

Except for <list all usecases that emerged since 2015 or so>

[-] dan@upvote.au 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm just joking - it was a reference to the famous Bill Gates quote (that he didn't actually say) about 640k of RAM being enough.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 55 points 2 days ago

People discuss this as if they connected their phones to their computers more than once in the past 5 years.

[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

Lemmy users can't fathom that average users aren't really bothered by it.

[-] LostXOR@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago

I copy photos and videos off my phone all the time; it's far more convenient than trying to send it over the internet. But even the "slow" speed of 480Mbps that they're complaining about seems more than adequate; copying a few gigs of photos will only take a minute or two, and even copying my phone's entire 128GB of storage would only take 35 minutes. Compared to most USB storage devices that's blazingly fast.

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[-] Bunbury@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago

There is at least 1 use case for it: some of the newer iPhones can shoot raw format video. Apple calls this ProRes. It is also possible to take those videos as large as 4K. This comes out to about 6GB per minute of video taken.

Imagine someone like a YouTuber decided to take a couple of 20-30 minute clips. Yeah, I wouldn’t want to wait for wireless transfer on that. Especially not if that is a regular thing someone does.

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[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 7 points 2 days ago

Ppl dont back up to local hd?

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 days ago

They let iCloud do the thing. Their computers don’t have that much storage.

[-] 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

I backup to my computer. It actually has more storage than iCloud and I don’t trust any cloud with my private data.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

I’m sure we’ll find much evidence for hobbyists on Lemmy having different use cases from the general public but Apple wasn’t ever interested in supporting that niche at budget prices because there’s little money to be made there.

Regular person doesn’t need much offline storage because they download apps from the App Store, listen to music from a streaming service and sync photos to iCloud or Google Photos. Those people probably shouldn’t store their data offline either way because they won’t back it up properly. It’s another case of Apple treating general public like incompetent grannies but they’re kind of right about that.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago

Apple wasn’t ever interested in supporting that niche at budget prices because there’s little money to be made there.

Not true. Difference in cost between USB 2&3 is negligible. They've just done this to create artificial value for the "Pro" models. Same way they create artificial value with ram and storage.

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Meanwhile me sitting with 4tb on my laptop and 5gb on icloud because fuck paying for cloud storage

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago

Adding to the phrase "might be..." is almost like trying to give them the benefit of the doubt while the have a bloody knife in their hands actively stabbing someone else. This in 1000% on purpose.

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[-] daskye@fedia.io 17 points 2 days ago

Thank God I abandoned Apple a long time ago

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

iPhones and iPads may be trash but macOS is still certified UNIX and the Apple silicon M1-M4 are honestly game changers in PC CPU design.

I would never buy an iPhone or an iPad.

I would definitely, on the other hand, pay some good money for a high end mac. I just simply don't have that kind of money to throw around. But if I did, I would.

[-] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

Hardware wise I really like the macbooks, but MacOS is certified trash. So many traps and hooks if you want to leave the golden path Apple has laid out for you

[-] remon@ani.social 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ey, it's not that bad. I've been using it for over a decade, never made an Apple account (so no appstore apps) and I never use any of the built-in apps (except for super basic stuff like the calculator or preview).

Still beats windows.

[-] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

Still beats windows.

No argument there

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[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

And people still buy Apple products?

Of course they do. They blame the EU for forcing Apple to go with Usb c, because Apple had no time to adapt to it

Oh no, Apple had no time to create five milions dongles, each for one specific use case, each of which cost $50 apiece. A tragedy.

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