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[-] mydude@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Everytime I see a bottlecap on the bottle in the ocean, I get so happy with this super good solution.

[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's where a bottle deposit system could come in.

over 95% of bottles and cans collected in Germany/Scandinavia, via Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4225292/Ministers-signal-against-plastic-bottle-deposits.html

(Recycling rate actually means collection rate, but who gives a hoot.)

[-] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Austria joined the plastic bottle money back gang recently
its so new that some people dont have any plan and throw them away like normally
edit: same rate as germany but not compatible

[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 7 points 10 months ago

but not compatible

A pan-European deposit system would be a sign of true integration. And it wouldn't even need all the countries to work, if Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Germany, and Austria could harmonize their iconography, the collected containers, and payout amount, that would already be fantastic.

Even the drinks industry should be a fan of that.

[-] mydude@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I'm from Norway. We have been recycling since the eighties, like alot. This is how you solve the problem, I totally concur. So when cola, and the likes, release tethered-bottlecaps, it's a non-solution. It's vitue signaling. They should bank-roll a recycle infrastructure in countries that don't have it. That's the real solution, but they will not do it.

[-] Aganim@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A bit outdated, in the Netherlands small plastic drink bottles and aluminum cans are now also part of the deposit system.

The current implementation is terrible though, the collection machines are often a smelly sticky mess due to aluminum cans leaking their contents all over. 🤢

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

This does not count the caps coming back, to be fair

[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

True but the caps are tethered now, so in any country with a deposit system they will most likely be returned.

The complaint of the person above me was that instead of throwing the cap in the sea, people now supposedly throw the entire bottle in the sea. (When I write it out like this, that sounds like complete nonsense ... Those same people previously might have thrown away the entire bottle too).

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

Ah, that would be quite the odd result of these tethers

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

"Let me just lob this cap to the se- whoops there goes the whole bottle damn"

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago

Ah damn, my cola!

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

They should just have a longer thin bit of plastic connecting them. Most I use it's too close and for viscous drinks it pools in the lid and drips on your face.

Typically I break off one of the tabs to make them more flexible. I'm not a lid-loser when they are detachable anyway though. If I drop it, I pick it up.

Lid-loser, what an insult ahahaha

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago

Ok, I get the whole waste argument for these, but they're very annoying and who was just tossing the caps on their own in the first place? Isn't the whole point of buying a bottle to have a resealable container? If you're just going to huck the cap then why not just buy a can?

I don't think I've ever thrown away a cap seperately from the bottle and it isn't because of any environmental concern. If the bottle is empty then I don't want to carry around 2 pieces of trash so the cap goes back on the bottle. If the bottle still has something in it then I don't want to spill it so the cap goes back on the bottle. There is no situation I can think of where it wouldn't be more inconvenient to throw them away seperately.

I get that there was a problem with the caps but I still don't understand how that problem occured without people actively going out of their way to cause it.

[-] huppakee@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Most litter isn't there because the original owner accidentally lost it, it's thrown out on purpose. You're right with the old system not all plastic bottles were thrown out with the cap removed, but some were. And in general, cleaning up the big part is easier than cleaning up the small part. I don't know the science of how big a difference it makes, I don't know if it is worth the inconvenience but even though your logic sounds very logical,stray bottle caps was big enough a problem for the eu to want to find a solution.

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Oh, I agree. I've seen the reports and the benefit the change has had. The part I just don't get is why the stray bottle caps were a thing to begin with. What causes someone to throw out a bottle seperate from the cap? That's the part that doesn't make sense to me.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

You seriously underestimate how actively destructive humans are. Was about to say I'm positive people separate them anyhow, even if I don't have evidence, but this comment exists, so here: https://ani.social/comment/10245094

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

I mean, I'd probably seperate them too while using the bottle just because it seems annoying to use a bottle with the cap still on it. But I'd still be putting the cap back on the bottle before I toss it anyways because doing anything else would be more work. Its basically just reflex to put the cap back on the bottle as soon as I'm done drinking from it to prevent spils if there's still something in it or just so I'm not also carying a cap around if it's empty.

[-] Valthorn@feddit.nu 9 points 10 months ago

Interestingly, the amount av littered bottle caps on the beaches of Sweden has increased since these were introduced. Source in Swedish.

[-] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 months ago

One data point does not make a statistic.

[-] Idreamofcheesy@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Seems like a lazy workaround so companies can say they totally solved the problem.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago

Oddly enough, some of my favourite beverage companies switched to different packaging just to avoid having tether their caps

[-] kazerniel@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

idk I always managed to recycle bottles with the caps on before, these tethered caps are a pain in the arse, so I rip them off of bottles I reuse :|

I wish we didn't need them because people acted like adults...

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 10 months ago

When these first came out I took a minute to figure out how I could use these to my advantage. And currently, I find them easier than caps that come off

[-] EstonianGuy@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Im happy that we have these, the environment is way better without loose caps everywhere. But i gotta say, with some bottles im still struggling. Dont get me wrong, i wouldnt go back, it’s just difficult sometimes to screw them back on.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 0 points 10 months ago

Just screw it backwards a little, it'll go "click" and it's ready to be screwed on in one turn

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Just yoink it aside and it will stick. It's not rocket science.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 10 months ago

I rip them off and I never recycle.

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago
[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No I just don't care because world's richest man quasi-president of the west is flying on private jets, sponsoring far-right parties globally which have popular support to take my rights away. Minor an inconvenience as this thing may be, I don't care enough even to tolerate it for one moment when the rich and powerful get away with so much. In fact - the way things are, the way people are - I have absolutely zero desire to see the environment saved or the people prosper.

But you go on ahead, suck the cuck cap and pray to your capitalist overlords. The EU is finished.

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