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If peaceful protest is going to be consistently met with violent police response; maybe they should stop being peaceful from the outset.
I wonder how long it will take for enough to realise their government is not compatible with protests. Peer pressure does not encourage authoritarians.
The running platform was making empathetic people angry; small scale protests are a badge of honor and large scale protests are a mild annoyance to be dealt with however they deem fit.
It won’t happen at this rate. Last thing that was closest to that was the CHOP zone in Seattle a few years ago. And that still fell through. Most protest folks that participate won’t fight back since most are against baring arms and only want it to be via peace since they are too afraid to die for something. They will shift that fear on to their peers and react as well with “I don’t want to have people miss me” or “I don’t have the time to up and remove my life from what I’ve worked towards so far”
Ah yes, the CHOP zone arguing for zero police, that turned into a violent, crime riddled zone where the protesters eventually all left because, against all they believed in, without police crime runs rampant and they don’t like having their possessions destroyed/stolen, or being assaulted/killed.
It was a wonderful example of how dumb most protesters are and how they don’t even understand the consequences of what they’re protesting for.
If security shows up to stop protestors from leaving, they aren't there to secure the peace, they are there to oppress.
Oh brother...
Sure, but let's step back and analyze it a little more.
Protest itself does not achieve political change. Its usefulness is in direct action or in recruiting those present into further action, education, and organizations. Liberal protests are state-sanctioned parades. Real protests tend to have an actual action to take, demands to be met, people to impact, costs to incur on others.
The terminology of "peaceful protest" is already poisoned and should be questioned. The media and politicians - and those propagandized downstream, all conflate private property destruction and violence. If a protest breaks windows, suddenly it is no longer "peaceful" and can be rejected by the propagandized as invalid and not to be supported. The US is full of such good little piggies, happy to align with the ruling class picking their pocket and doing actual violence because they exist exclusively in a world of capitalist propaganda.
Under these auspices, all direct action that the capitalist system wants to crush is, will, and has been labelled terrorism. It's already done this for private property destruction by environmentalists, peace activists during all major wars (except WWII, where American Nazis were coddled and of course did not damage private property), labor organizers, anti-segregation organizers, socialists, communists, Mexicans, Chinese, Native Americans, etc. They happily do it again against anti-genocide protesters, particularly because they can play on the islamophobic use of the terrorism label at the same time. Like all fascistic logic, they must frame themselves as the true victims, so they also happily call every critic of Israel an antisemite.
All of this bombards the US population 24/7. Americans exist in a haze of accusations and terms they barely understand, trying to slot it into what could only charitably called an ideology - the naked reactionaries in red and the obfuscated reactionaries in blue.
All of this is to say that the greatest barrier in the US is education, and education begins with agitation, e.g. these protests in any form. Get as many people as possible to show up to the next thing, to organize the next thing, and spread knowledge.
Yes, once protests start breaking laws by damaging property and committing acts of violence, they’re no longer peaceful.
lmao did you even read what I wrote about conflating private property damage and violence?
I did. What these people did wasn’t just property damage being treated like violence - there was actual physical violence when they were being held, in the place that they were taking over mind you, until the police could get there. Then more violence when the police got there.
You are, to put it mildly, full of shit. The only violence was the police beating and hurting protesters.
Please try to be more honest going forward.
You know it’s all on video, don’t you? You know you’re the one that’s full of shit, don’t you?
The protesters were trying to force their way out of the building they were occupying. They got violent when they weren’t being allowed to leave.
Please try to be more honest going forward.
Taking over a building is on the far end of "peaceful".
The majority of protests involve taking over space temporarily; that alone doesn't make them not peaceful.
They weren't invading/forcing their way into spaces that they weren't already openly invited to be in, nor were they violent towards officials that were demanding they leave (self-defense aside).
I specifically didn't say they were being violent. When asked to leave their presence becomes trespass. Being somewhere you aren't supposed to be gets to the far side of "peaceful". You're not violent, maybe, but you're not lawful either. At that point the police are within their right to remove you.
Peaceful does not mean lawful. You can peacefully break the law.
The law is not always right - that is why it has the facility to be changed - and when laws are wrong it is a good citizen's duty to break them, as that is the first step to changing them.
Peaceful does not mean lawful. You can peacefully break the law.
Sure.... But...
The law is not always right - that is why it has the facility to be changed - and when laws are wrong it is a good citizen's duty to break them, as that is the first step to changing them.
Don't be vague. We're talking about trespassing. Somebody peaceably trespassing in your living room would be a pretty big deal.
It's fine that they protested, but expect to be arrested when you refuse to vacate a building you're trespassing in.
These people think that trespassing into the country is fine and not cause for deportation, so you’re not going to get an intelligent answer from them on this topic.
They refused to leave, so they were trespassing. They then became violent when they were made to stay until the police got there, and were violent towards the police.
Yes? If a bunch of Trump supporters took over the same building, would you have the same attitude about it?
Ohhh, Mr. "gotcha question" showed up.
Feel free to complain that I didn't answer your question like you deserve one
Okay.
You have literally said you are for the armement of Israel. Of course any protest against Israel is too violent for you.
Are people still applying to go to school there?
The students’ demands include Columbia’s financial divestment from Zionist organizations, an academic boycott of complicit institutions, cops and ICE off campus and amnesty for all university members unfairly targeted and disciplined for pro-Palestinian actions.
Not a single one of which wouldn't be a given in a sane and civilized modern society.
Columbia’s Public Safety officers immediately responded and violently barred protesters from leaving unless they showed identification, which created a prolonged standoff...
Because of COURSE they did!
When it comes to Apartheid regimes (and indeed most big picture stuff), student protesters are always on the right side of history and the people who derive income directly dependent on the atrocities continuing always react with the subtlety and intelligence of trying to remove a splinter with a machete.
Seems like Columbia university needs to be burned to the ground to teach these fucking brown shirts a lesson. Make sure to catch anyone who called the cops in the flames.
shut down a pro-Palestinian student occupation of the campus’ Butler Library
I don't understand, though. Were they expecting not to be arrested? I thought that was the point of civil disobedience. What was the point of occupying the library if not to instigate a response from police or campus police?
They probably were intending/expecting arrests. There are probably protesters who didn't go into the library because they specifically don't want a criminal record (especially if they're on a visa or some such).
And you can see in the comments here how angry the arrests are getting some people.
That's the goal of a lot of nonviolent protest. Get your allies loud about it and split some moderates away from the authorities that they hadn't really thought of as "the bad guys" before.
If trump admin is smart enough, they will bus police from other states to go to New York, learn and practice, trump will soon have his Schutzstaffel
I gotta say, Hong Kongers put up way more of a fight than Americans seem to be. Hong Kong Polytechnic University went through a full blown siege in 2019. Six years later, in the land of the free, student leaders get picked off and any protests that manage to get going are easily crushed by the police.
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