I drive everywhere. Yeah, I know, fuck cars. But honestly they're tracking everyone's movement. Have you noticed all of the intersection cameras that have popped up everywhere? Fuck the authoritarian surveillance state.
They don’t need cameras. Your phone is constantly connecting to cell towers and broadcasting its unique identifier. Those towers keep a record of who has connected. So long as your in range of 3 or more towers they can triangulate your location.
True but I don't like having my phone on me when I don't want to be reachable. Sometimes it's turned off at home.
The company is jointly owned by nine major airlines, most of which are US-based: Delta, Southwest, United, American Airlines, Alaska Airlines, JetBlue, Air Canada, Lufthansa, and Air France.
I hope EU starts some investigation, because it doesn't seem this follows the GDPR for European travelers.
Lufthansa and Air France might have some massive fines incoming.
Maximum GDPR fine is 4% of your revenue. For Lufthansa, that would be ~$1.4 billion, Air France ~$650 million, both of which are roughly their entire net income for one year.
Not sure if anyone has been hit with the maximum ever though, as everyone just keeps track of the dollars and not percentage of revenue.
AFAIK no one has triggered the biggest fines (yet?). Can't wait for it to happen.
I think the biggest one by value is Meta with €1.2b. Although their revenue is in the $150b+ range, so not maxed out.
Air Canada
Wtf Air Canada? Air France too
Assuming the data doesn't include international departures or arrivals (only their domestic counterparts), would GDPR even apply?
I think it applies to eu citizens worldwide for online purposes. You only need to do business in eu with eu clients (seperate terms) for it to apply.
Yea, I guess because they are "selling" vs being compensated for? If the US govt dictates terms to that business under homeland security, GDPR probably wouldn't matter, but I can only assume since it's a sale, that's not the case.
Nice racket. First you pay the airlines for their tickets, then the ICE with your tax dollars to buy your data from said airlines.
Soon they will be taking Americans to their death, too, and I assume no one will do fucking shit as usual.
Did Germans do shit about Hitler? Nope, it was the rest of the world. And, well, one German who did shit about Hitler.
Too bad he didn’t act sooner.
It’s just the TIP of the ICEberg.
Fuck.
Great point. We need to be able to see the interconnections of this more often.
Everyone is stealing your data and selling it. Feeding it into AI. Building profiles on you to better send you ads.
Yes. Literally every company. There's no regulation so to them it's free money.
Jesus... well, avoid flying trough US if possible.
IBM supplied Nazis with the machines and punch cards to track the population. Throwing that out there for no particular reason. What where we talking about?
Do foreign airlines that come into the country do this? Would an EU plane be safe from this bullshit?
Since when does a government agency have to pay for receiving a companies data? I guess there is no law for allowing ICE to access that data, and then they just pay instead?
If I had to guess, obtaining the data by force may require a court order or legal process.
Buying data that someone else is willingly selling bypasses those steps.
Yeah that's one of the things that stood out as what the hell.. the companies already have the data, if ICE wanted it legally they shouldn't need to pay... Really shows how shady they're being.
Since always, without a subpoena. Until PRISM, at least.
At least for foreigners travelling into the US, you’re willingly giving the US govt most of this information up front anyway via the APIS. And paying for the privilege!
Someone trusts flying in these conditions? That's insane.
Even if I trust the flying itself, I don't trust not being detained upon entering the USA. I'm not flying there again anytime soon.
Even as a white male US born citizen, I also don't see myself flying back any time soon. I'm nobody, but I've run my mouth against fascists online enough that I've probably triggered some flag in the system.
Cue the airlines come with hand-wringing to beg the Feds for more bailouts because "nobody is flying anymore."
Parasitical business practices should lead to market exit.
Twelve billion
I thought we we're approximately 8.2 Billion on earth? Am i missing something?
One person can have multiple flights per year. Its still a huge number considering the billions in Asia who never fly.
You're right, everyone is only allowed one flight per year this doesn't add up
Can we get the courts to determine that as an "unreasonable search" already?
Yeah so bad news. The government has routinely purchased data like this as an end run around the 4th Amendment. The data is collected by a third party, often with the customers "consent".
This is why we need stricter privacy controls around our data. The fact that this data was collated in the first place is problematic. The fact that it's being sold for profit is abhorrent.
The mental trick that keeps on giving. When government does it - it's automatically bad, but when a private business does it - it's between the business and its customers. Then all the gov't needs to do is become a customer on the B2B side.
As long as programs like 5-Eyes exist you just have to assume every time you interact with a company it is in the hands of all of the governments.
But useful idiots on lemmy keep telling me it's china doing all the surveillance through companies.
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