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Question for those of you living in a country where marijuana is legal. What are the positive sides, what are the negatives?

If you could go back in time, would you vote for legalising again? Does it affect the country's illegal drug business , more/less?

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[-] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Legalization has only positives

People who need something, to get through the day, will always seek for some kind of crutch.

When the legal range of available products (sorry, just learned, that the word "Sortiment" doesn't have a nice English equivalent) aren't helping ones issue, they'll look for other sources.
But unregulated sources can bring multiple problems with it.

First off, and the thing, I care about most:
we'd/we do hurt people looking for some kind of help.
Either by directly reducing their sources of crutches to untrustable and dangerous ones, with a product that's very probably not clean and could damage the user in unintended ways, they aren't aware about. We need to provide a safety net for people with problems, and not stigmatize those who try to help themselves.
And I've never met an addict, that was just an addict for the sake of it, or the feeling of the first time was so great - ok, maybe once I did.
But in every other case, the only ones getting hooked are the ones, that finally felt good with themselves for once in their life, when they somehow introduced some drug into their system.
And that's why many of them say, it was that feeling of the first time, they always try to reproduce.
For a normal happy person, heroin wouldn't make much of a difference.
But if you're feeling unloved and alone, hurt and abused, when you're feeling lost and don't know what to do, than end yourself.
Well then, then heroin (or whatever helps your cause) will give you a new perspective of life.
This escape from overwhelming, oppressive, suffocation problems is it, why people get hooked on drugs.

There is just nothing wrong with recreational use, as long as it's just about boosting a good time or even better, use mind altering drugs in a ritual setting, to change your perspective on things and learn (again) that love and your lives ones are the center of your life - or discover, that there was always one thing, that you wanted to do. Doesn't matter, if it gives you more options and happiness in life, it wasn't bad.
Bad it is for the people who cling to it, because only on it, they feel like functioning normal.

Those people have actual drug problems, and even with crystal meth the statistics say, that only a few percent (we're talking 1-2%) get addicted.
(At least that's, what I saw and remember - proof me wrong) And we have to keep in mind what social stigma fucking crystal meth has!
The group of people doing it (and show up on those statistics) are mostly people, that are already looking for such experiences and have stepped over the border of social tolerance, but look for their own thing (either enjoyment or escape/help)
And there is pretty much no one, who ever just started with meth (or other hard drugs, like heroin) . In the most cases there was at least alcohol and probably cigarettes/nicotine involved - there are absolutely always exceptions, but that doesn't change much, what needs to change in our social system.
As tragic, as those exceptions are, those usually happen in groups, where people with problematic drug use already gather.
So, solving the problem of the mass, should also help to reduce those sad exceptions.

Ok, I've started a bigger second point, but the only thing left I have are those few words, trying to start describing an idea:
"Then we need to look into the individual"

Well,... I hope the first point is sufficient, and if I ever remember what I wanted to say else, I'll come back here ;⁠-⁠)
So kids, you see, don't abuse drugs, else you won't remember shit... - although my mother has the same problem, and never in her live did anything illicit.
So I can't say with confidence, that we can talk about causation.

But, what hurt my mind most, were social traumata (e.g. a Burnout), and drugs (and many exercises like meditation) exceptionally helped my mental state and ability to handle life and work despite my handicap.
As I said, as long as I actively work on a problem and use drugs in a ritual state, they are helping me.
As soon as I need them just to get through the day, then I'm having a problem, I'm trying to avoid.

I know, this is mostly about me, but talking with other users, I've mostly seen the same mindset.

[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I second your message in many ways. First off, I am not a user... well, count alcohol in, on special occasions like a birthday, but even a thought of drinking two glasses of wine more frequently than once in a month or two reminds me I am not going to feel well. Anyway, main reason is I know full well that if I am not able to deal with my life as is, no substance is going to help, and as for discovering how fun life can be - there are other methods, far less destructive

Now about how substances are used by other people: drink/smoke to make it through painful day(s) - I get how it works, but in the end again, not a solution. Same goes for situations where drugs are prescribed as painkillers - I can trust that physical pain can be that acute and exhausting

And actual regular drug usage - now this is a sure sign something in life of that person has gone completely off-track, and giving them more suffering (social stigma and criminal charges) won't help. We need to look at individual, we need a different kind of society where no one gets so desperate as to use chemicals in order to have some break from the suffering that their life has become, and we sure as hell don't need this batshit insane "you are going to jail for even buying some small amount of weed" idiocy

[-] shoo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

with crystal meth the statistics say, that only a few percent (we're talking 1-2%) get addicted.

Couldn't find the numbers on meth specifically but I'm highly skeptical.

70% of users who try an illegal drug before age 13 develop a substance abuse disorder within the next 7 years compared to 27% of those who try an illegal drug after age 17.

25.4% of illegal drug users have a drug disorder.

I'd argue that any form of self medication is inherently unhealthy, and free access to legal substances doesn't fix that. Some people are able to navigate it responsibly but it's not possible for most people.

The human brain is a complex soup of chemicals and electrical impulses, altering it with a substance won't result in an objective self assessment of the effects.

Taking your example, plenty of normal and reasonably happy people get addicted to opiods. The first experiences are on such a different scale to regular chemical pleasure your brain generates that it alters your perception of normal feelings.

If you ask someone to compare that high to normal life before or after, they'll tell you they never experienced "true" happiness before.

There are real, observable, permanent changes to brain structure from drug use. I don't think that type of change should be taken lightly with personal experimentation. It should have the same scrutiny and medical guardrails that we give other permanent body choices.

For anyone interested, some reading on heroin's impact on the brain

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

Pros:

  • it makes weed cheaper, safer
  • you know exactly what you're getting since there's no incentive to illegally lace weed with other dangerous stuff
  • less need to prosecute drug possession "crimes" that hurt nobody
  • It makes it less appealing to young kids because the dangerous aspect is removed

Cons:

  • Weed smells bad to many people, there are complaints from a lot who visit about how open weed smoking make some places smell awful
  • Legal Grow op greenhouses cause a lot of light pollution which is an annoyance for the local population
  • Some weed smokers joke around saying weed was more fun when it was illegal.
  • Harder to enforce impairment since weed takes much longer to stop registering on tests than you are affected by it

I'm not a regular smoker, I think we are better off having it legal though.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Having lived in both, absolutely legalize.

I don't personally care for it and I get annoyed by the public smells, the tacky and run-down stores that make neighborhoods feel trashy. But that's all personal preference.

The one legitimate issue is that it is very difficult to regulate and enforce impairment. Someone driving or operating machinery high is just as dangerous as someone driving drunk. With alcohol, there are a number of different tests and impairment is well correlated with BAC. For marijuana, there is no quick and accurate way to assess how high someone is at a given time.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Impairment is impairment and being tired or distracted by phones/technology is often even worse than being intoxicated or high but we tend to love using BAC because it is easy to measure. Locations that legalized weed didn't have an increase in impaired driving last time I checked, because most people don't go out driving when they are high while people often drive intoxicated after drinking at bars.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

BAC is also well correlated with impairment. Obviously it varies from one individual to another, but it is related strongly related enough to have fair and consistent enforcement.

AFAIK, blood tests that measure the presence of marijuana are relatively cheap, but measuring the concentration is slightly more difficult and is not well correlated with impairment. That means enforcement is problematic and subjective.

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[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Legalize all drugs. Move 100% of the enforcement funds into drug treatment programs. And then tax them and put that towards treatment programs.

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[-] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

There are very few cons, all the negative effects of cannabis can be better handled when it’s legal.

[-] ADandHD@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

Legalize all drugs. Drug addiction is a health issue, not a legal one.

[-] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Drug addiction will become a much larger health issue if all drugs are legalized.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Scientifically speaking, the pros outweigh the cons everytime.

Public Safety should not be done with the assumption that the public is made up of stupid children that would kill themselves at every possible opportunity (though some people are like that) rather it should come with the assumption that adults are smart enough and have the right to make decisions about them selves.

The government should work towards education so that the public can be better informed and only restrict extreme situations where a reasonable mistake can lead to unreasonable consequences or harm to others. And "Gateway drugs" is as stupid as saying that teaching people how to use a knife would lead them to seek out sharper and bigger knives until they stab themselves and die.

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[-] HotCoffee@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Here in the Netherlands we have the "Gedoogbeleid", which translates to Tolerance policy. It's somewhere in between Decriminalized and legal. U are allowed to purchase and have up to 5 grams with you. And using it is okay in your own home and in places that don't disturb the public. But it's still partly illegal, as in no indoor growing and carrying more than 5g... It's a weird setup.

It's also a weird construction because technically the coffeeshops themselves are not allowed to buy the bulk amounts of weed to sell in their shops. So everything has to come in sneakily through the backdoor....

Lately legalization has been getting a good push, and now shops are buying their flowers from legit, government approved "Wiet boeren" weed farmers.

True Legalization Pros:

  • Good alcohol alternative. It's one of the better substances to abuse.
  • Better byproducts of flower. So more room for edibles, hash, concetrates and all the good stuff.
  • Quality control, now you have some traceability where your flower is coming from. They put de Wiet Boeren on the bags with a qr code to see your flowers origin.

Cons:

  • The wallet doesn't like the flowers.
  • Weed is very habbit forming. Addiction might be too strong a word for weed. But oh boy is it habbit forming. Ppl who deny this, are in denial.

As for how it affects the overall drug trade. Our number 1 export in the Netherlands is XTC. But that's a whole different beast. As for weed drug trade, it does decrease it. In smaller townds without shops u will always have you local dealers. But weed really isn't drug to be afraid of as in violence and crime surrounding it.

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