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[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 122 points 10 months ago

It's easy to point fingers, and the author isn't wrong, but I remember the whole democratic party absolutely tone-deaf to their voters campaign after campaign.

It's not just checking boxes, they had to relate. Harris had an incredible start; an injection of new blood and vigor to the stale humdrum. But for the love of jeebus, will they stop "playing the game" and do f-ing something!

[-] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago

Games can only be played when everyone plays by the rules. Only they are playing the game now, and they are alone at the table.

[-] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

"What're you going to do, get Trump elected?"

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 98 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fuck David Plouffe. He's been trying to sell this bullshit since November 6th. He went on Pod Save America to explain what went wrong with the Harris campaign. Did he admit that they should have distanced themselves from Biden on Gaza? Or that campaigning with Liz Cheney and targeting moderate Republicans was a failed strategy? Or that their middle-class platform cost them working-class voters? Nope! The conclusion he came to was that they did everything right, but they just didn't have enough time. Joe Biden should live out his remaining years in shame and isolation for refusing to step down, but Plouffe's campaign strategy was political malpractice, and he his failures can't be blamed in senility.

[-] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

Well said! Dems are an embarrassment mostly because they have a long history of fucking up at the worst possible time and then learning absolutley nothing from it.

Everyone had the same 4 years David Plouff. If you feel you needed more time, you're admitting to being worse than everyone else who didn't. And considering one of those people is a reality TV felon who can't read, you must really suck at your job.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

All of what you said is true. But it's also true that Biden's holding out and not allowing enough time was also to blame there's lots of factors.

Fuck David Plouffe

I second this. He's the same as every other Democrat.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 95 points 10 months ago

Plouffe, who worked as a Harris campaign adviser, has taken aim at Biden obliquely in the past as well.

Feel like this is pretty important context for the statements. Because while I absolutely agree Biden should never have run for a second term, there seems to be a very vocal number of democratic campaign consultants and party officials who really wanted distract you from the fact that they ran a god-awful campaign. I don't know if this Democratic establishment party could have won with anybody to be honest. Not the way they chose to handle themselves. Frankly I find their behavior to be even worse than Biden's. The energy and electricity that Harris started her campaign with was transcendent, especially when they added Walz. Then they drove the whole campaign off a cliff. So excuse me if I'm not super sympathetic to the people that decided to run the Hillary Clinton campaign 2.0.

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[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 41 points 10 months ago

It fucked them because it locked them into Harris, who was also a uniquely awful candidate. It screwed voters out of having a meaningful primary with real debate about issues.

[-] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Who else would they have picked? Someone even further right?

[-] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 10 months ago

Anyone who had a chance to win. "We played the best losing move" doesn't make you a chess master, it doesn't even get a ribbon at the fair.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago

How about Bernie Sanders, for once?

[-] badbrainstorm@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Bernie should have been wrapping up his 8 year run at this point

[-] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 5 points 10 months ago

How about someone who isn't 300 years old?

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Ahh yes, one of the most qualified people to run for the seat, totally an awful candidate.

No, what was awful was the "won't change" shift, and the courting undesirables from the right. Her campaign fucked up, and now we're left with a literal fucking Nazi Fascist admin.

[-] echutaaa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

So qualified she dropped out of primaries in 2020 at 3% in the polls. She was a tool the entire time. No one with half a brain wanted to vote for her, they just didn’t have a fucking choice.

[-] neatchee@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

That was 4 years before she, you know, was vice president for 4 years. That tends to provide valuable experience.

I'm not gonna pretend I liked her but she wasn't a bad candidate to begin a campaign with. But then she ran to the right in an insane way

[-] echutaaa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

Polished turds are just shiny turds. She was always unlikable, people only latched on to her because of the despair Biden had the party in before he dropped out. It was a simple overcorrection in sentiment that wasted away from her failure to inspire anything, just like she failed in 2020. No amount of on the job experience teaches the lessons she failed to learn twice.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There were some things she did early in the primary that kind of inspired me tbh. I really liked the Walz VP pick, especially when it looked like she was going to pick a more conservative Dem like Shapiro the Zionist or Mark Kelly. She also had a more youthful energy to contrast against Biden's clearly aging and tired energy during his campaign. But then they squandered it by listening to the consultants and focus groups trying to triangulate to get Haley Republicans or whatever they were trying to do.

[-] neatchee@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

If you think even 50% of her campaign decision making reflected her personal politics you are mistaken about how the DNC operates.

As I said, on paper she was a fine candidate to start a campaign with. She could have easily converted a win if the party as a whole hadn't totally rejected anything progressive long before she took to the campaign trail.

People forget that after you get elected you still have to collaborate with Congress. Presidential candidates are absolutely beholden to the will of the DNC, and their party platform. They will not hesitate to torpedo a presidency as retaliation for failing to toe the company line

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[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 months ago

She's new Hillary. They ran Hillary against him again but younger and with a tan. Instead of of allowing the possibility of Sanders in 2016 or AOC in 2024 they threw "the game" twice.

[-] oyzmo@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

I think Bernie is the one who would truly have made US great :)

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Never forget Bernie's Legacy

https://youtu.be/ZlZaVtCT5HI

[-] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago

"concerns about Biden’s mobility were so dire, advisers considered having him use a wheelchair during the campaign."

What the what?

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago
[-] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Yikes. I did a full news and politics cleanse during trumps first administration and was not paying a ton of attention during Bidens term. Had no idea it was that bad.

[-] Bellingdog@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I was paying attention.

It was not, in fact, that bad.

[-] pno2nr@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We almost beat medicare. It was that bad.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

the DNC couldnt even defeat medicare.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

I agree with you, if by not that bad, you mean worse than that bad.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago

It was that bad because the media ignored it. Decades of "mistakes" of being racist and sexist, and then being in the oval office made him senile.

[-] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Crazy. See FDR got away with it, they would stage photos and prop him up, cover the wheelchair with a blanket. But that’s impossible now that social media is a thing.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

This must be what they meant by FDR 2.0

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago

All these people care about is money. It’s all about money. Take their fucking money away. They are literally an existential threat to the rest of us.

[-] gearheart@lemm.ee -2 points 9 months ago

All the Dem is gonna be long dead and the u.s.a. under a dictatorship.

I'm still going to be seeing whining and blaming everything on Dems. 😂

We f'ked.

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