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The overarching goal of communism is for laborers to own the means of production instead of an owning/capitalist class. Employee owned businesses are the realization of communism within a capitalist society.

It seems to me that most communist organizations in capitalist societies focus on reform through government policies. I have not heard of organizations focusing on making this change by leveraging the capitalist framework. Working to create many employee owned businesses would be a tangible way to achieve this on a small but growing scale. If successful employee owned businesses are formed and accumulate capital they should be able to perpetuate employee ownership through direct acquisition or providing venture capital with employee ownership requirements.

So my main questions are:

  1. Are organizations focusing on this and I just don't know about it?
  2. If not, what obstacles are there that would hinder this approach to increasing the share labor collective ownership?
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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

You’re proposing socialism.

Communism wants central authority.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Imagine believing you can defeat capitalism without central authority.

[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 day ago

Imagine not recognizing that central authority is the problem.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Ok so lets say you get rid of the central authority in one fell swoop. What happens when the millions of people who really really benefitted from that authority or atleast believe themselves to benefit decide they want it back. Can a decentralized stateless society truly win political or military battles against them? I can tell you from history that everyone who has tried this eventually resorted to their own centralized authority in order to survive, failed, or both. Communist do not see centralized authority as good, we see it as a means to survive.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 day ago

You know how a certain faction in the USA keeps screaming about "states rights?”

In my view, central and decentralized authority have their issues. And here come the down votes. The way the Russian voting system was explained to me by the good people of .ml makes a lot of sense and circumvents the worst issues of both.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Thats so funny because you have it completely backwards. Communism, the end goal, is a moneyless, classless, stateless society in which hierarchy has ceased to exist. State socialism or "the dictatorship of the proletariat" is a interim step on the path to communism that aims to eliminate class and the social structures that perpetuate it.

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[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Therefore, socialism should be the ultimate aim.

[-] cattywampas@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

I truly believe a mixed economy is the answer.

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[-] Valmond@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Socio democracy and I'm onboard.

Edit: all socialist & communist dictatorship losers can go live in North Korea IMO. Read a history book ffs.

Edit2: my fault, I didn't see I was on .ml Tank on tankies.

[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Socialism IS democratic production, thus the political systems can reflect as such. Maybe more regional control, as I'm led to understand the Swiss cantons function like. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Join the IWW.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago
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