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Machinery from New York-based company used to build Russian weapons used in war on Ukraine | PBS NewsHour (www.pbs.org)
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[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

I was ready to dismiss this as hyperbole -- after all, there are INNUMERABLE ways that US equipment could make its way to Russian factories.

Then I read the words of the chairman of their board:

Hans Naumann (through interpreter):

I think that Trump, unlike many European politicians, has recognized that the white population must stand together. Americans, Europeans, Australians, they're roughly 1.5 billion people, but Asians come to six billion.

In my opinion, the world's demographics compel the two nuclear powers, that's America and Russia, to stand together.

It turns out they shipped equipment directly from their German facilities to Russian military companies, potentially in violation of the 2014 sanctions.

[-] maeries@feddit.de 34 points 1 year ago

the white population must stand together.

Then why does he support Russia who attacks the white population in Ukraine? He doesn't even adhere to his own logic

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Ah because like in days of yore, some white people aren't white to racists. For instance the Irish weren't considered white in the US for quite a long time...

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but both Ukrainians and Russians are Slavs, so in that frame they're equally worthless and they shouldn't support either.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Fair dues I suppose

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You should examine that claim critically. The idea that Irish indentured servants were mistreated similarly to their their non-white counterparts in chattel slavery is historical revisionism pushed by white supremacists.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They never mentioned anything about chattel style slavery or comparison to the African slave trade. Simply that skin color isn't the only defining factor in racism historically, but also nationality and heritage.

We have non European examples as well, like the Rwandan genocide. People of similar phenotypes can still find other reasons to hate and kill.

No other implication was made or conclusions drawn.

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

However, the statement "some white people aren’t white to racists" implies that skin color IS the defining concern. And the direct comparison of white-on-white mistreatment to white-on-nonwhite racist mistreatment is a grasp for moral equivalence.

If Irish immigrants were truly considered nonwhite, maybe they would have been hunted down and slaughtered like indigenous peoples, or separated from their children like African slaves. But these things did NOT happen, and I hold that it is inappropriate to describe the Irish as "not considered white". Of course they were white. Nobody, not now and not in US history, would describe them as nonwhite. Sure, some people didn't like the Irish, but that's a far cry from considering them to be a different race or color.

Irish and Irish-descended could vote, they could go to court to seek redress of grievances, they could marry who they wished, they were not confined to reservations, they could have children without fearing that they would be taken away. Indigenous, African, and sometimes Latino and Asian peoples in the US did not always enjoy such rights, but white people almost always did.

I brought up chattel slavery because the commenter said, "in the US", and the exemplar for white-on-nonwhite racism in the US is chattel slavery of black Africans. But if one prefers to consider the mistreatment of other nonwhite racial groups, you could certainly hold any of them up to the way Irish were treated, and I daresay that you would have a hard time finding any dimension of mistreatment in which Irish or other white minorities were treated worse than nonwhite peoples.

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Fascists have always used racism as an excuse to define the enemy and back The Great Leader, even when the sides were ethnically similar. It's not like Poland and France were full of non-white barbarian infiltrators in Europe in the 30s and 40s, but plenty of people used "preservation of the white race" as a reason to back the Nazis.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised it didn't have to do with their bottom line.

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If Mr. Naumann's company should make a boatload of cash while supporting his terrible political views, what's the harm?

/s

[-] stown@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The name of the company is NSH USA Corp., in case anyone else was upset by the click bait title.

[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Im sorry, wasn't there something about it being treason to sell to an enemy of the state? Also, isn't Russia an enemy of the state? And lastly, don't we also have sanctions to stop these dealings as well?

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