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[-] Kennystillalive@feddit.org 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The bill did not pass in the first stage of the law making process as all the parties rejected it. Also, I'm very confident that even if it passed the first few hurdles, someone would make an initiative against it and that initiative would win 9 out of 10 times as most Bünzlis are privacy minded people and would feel like their freedoms are being taken away by such a law.

Here an article.

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The Federal Council's plans to reform the monitoring of postal and telecommunications traffic have been rejected in the consultation process: All the major parties that have expressed an opinion on the matter reject the plan.

In their statements, the Greens, SP, Green Liberals, FDP and SVP speak of endangered data protection, a threat to Switzerland as a location for innovation, disproportionate interference by the state and unclear effects of the planned changes to the ordinance.

The Green Liberals and the FDP also see the planned changes as contradictory to current law. The Center Party declined to comment. Organizations such as the Swiss Digital Society and companies such as the Swiss messenger service Threema have also criticized the plans.

The Federal Council sent the partial revisions of two implementing decrees out for consultation at the end of January. This ended on Tuesday. According to the Federal Council, this involves a "clear definition of the categories of cooperation obligations" for providers of communication services, for example in the case of surveillance authorized by the authorities as part of criminal proceedings.

This primarily affects traditional telecommunications services such as Swisscom, Sunrise and Salt, but also service providers that provide communication services without their own infrastructure, such as messaging, VoIP, VPN, cloud or email services such as Whatsapp, Threema, Protonmail or Skype.

With the revision, the latter are to be divided into three new groups with different obligations, depending on the number of users and turnover. According to the federal government, this is intended to achieve a "more balanced gradation of obligations".

Confederation plans to introduce new types of information and monitoring According to the Greens, companies that provide a service for 5,000 users would now have to be able to identify the latter by storing their IP address. Companies with more than one million users would be obliged to store marginal data such as the geolocation of customers for six months.

This "vastly expanded data retention" would make it impossible to operate secure messenger or email services and would be a "massive intrusion" into privacy. For the SVP, the new definition of obligations "obviously has the potential" to burden a number of SMEs instead of relieving them.

The federal government also plans to introduce new types of information and surveillance. It writes that the two revisions to the ordinances basically provide for the obligation to remove encryption. However, end-to-end encryption such as messenger services are exempt from this.

On Swiss television's "Tagesschau" program, Jean-Louis Biberstein, deputy head of the Federal Postal and Telecommunications Surveillance Service, recently said that the requirements for service providers would not be tightened. They would be clarified.

After the revision, a company like Threema would have the same obligations as before. Threema contradicts this in a statement sent to various media at the end of April. The revision of the VÜPF would force the company to abandon the principle of "collecting only as little data as technically necessary".

The Swiss internet service provider Proton also wrote to the news agency Keystone-SDA on request that the Federal Council's proposals would "massively expand" state surveillance. In its statement, the association "Digitale Gesellschaft Schweiz" speaks of a "serious attack on fundamental rights, SMEs and the rule of law".

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That's the translation from the article.

[-] sp3ctre@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago

While this guy may be controversial, the discussion is a good one. More companies like Threema also suffer from that law and they should all team up to fight against that.

[-] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

Surprising considering their whole marketing point is "Swiss privacy"

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 7 months ago

You say that like this was their decision...

[-] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago

I couldn't translate, can someone tell me who is behind this bill?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Yo dog I heard you love trump so we made you surveillance laws

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I dont think Trump passed bad surveillance laws in the US. The worst of those are from Bush and Obama.

Trump inherited a mass surveillance apparatus. He didn't build it.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Just the other day there was a news about how Russia was basically given free access to US citizens data through Starlink. They don't need to pass laws, they just ignore them.

[-] Caramel57@lemmy.wtf 1 points 7 months ago

I've seen similar sentiment shared by people that follow privacy topics. It's a bad take and you are minimizing the significance of the surveillance state being built.

There is a difference between 'anyone' can be watched and 'everyone' can be watched.

There is a difference between implementing laws that could be used to monitor anyone and implementing systems that will be able to monitor everyone very cheaply and easily.

This is not the same as the patriot Act https://www.businessinsider.com/ice-palantir-new-technology-30-million-visa-overstays-self-deportation-2025-4

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

US has contracted out to Palentier for years. This isnt new.

I guess you're new here, but we learned over 10 years ago that the NSA had a goal of targeting literally everyone.

What's new is that the power is shifting from groups like the FBI and NSA to ICE.

[-] loomy@lemy.lol 0 points 7 months ago
[-] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Any other country except Russia

[-] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

I mean as long as you dont say anything about Putin, Russia provides the best freedom of speech

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

thats an interesting way of putting it lol

[-] loomy@lemy.lol 0 points 7 months ago

The law is so bad it makes Switzerland second to Russia?

[-] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Just going on whats in the article

"This revision attempts to implement something that has been deemed illegal in the EU and the United States. The only country in Europe with a roughly equivalent law is Russia," said Yen

"I think we would have no choice but to leave Switzerland," said Yen. "The law would become almost identical to the one in force today in Russia. It's an untenable situation. We would be less confidential as a company in Switzerland than Google, based in the United States. So it's impossible for our business model."

[-] loomy@lemy.lol 1 points 7 months ago
[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago

Isn't Russia known for censorship in surveillance?

The US is better than Russia and the US isn't exactly setting a high bar

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 7 months ago

Sweden or Germany would work

[-] shifty@leminal.space 1 points 7 months ago
[-] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago

Sadly Sweden has a government that wants to force backdoors to encrypted services. They haven't succeeded yet, but Sweden might not be safe in the future.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 7 months ago

All governments want this. Everywhere.

The difference is where the people allow it and they don't.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

Where will, Andy, the fascist Krasnov supporter go?

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

i fail to see how liking a single decision made by trump makes them a supporter of him

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago

That's how it works on Lemmy. Support absolutely any decision made by Republican = literally a nazi.

[-] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

With your mother I suppose

Honestly, how is this political crap of who supports who has anything to do with this?

People should throw this "this person is x supporter so hes bad" out of the window

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Everything is politics. We are political and social animals. We should definitely cast aside people for their affiliation. ESPECIALLY when talking about privacy and personal rights.

This comment is so wrong in so many ways.

[-] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 7 months ago

Humans are complicated, there may be someone who genuinely wants to change the nation for the better, then come home and use their wife and children as a punching bag. Would you like them? No. Would you vote for them? Maby, not because you want them but they seem to want to change something in the positive direction.

I am not telling this Krasnov fellow beats his wife, but you get the point, people can be bad and still supported

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

No WHAT THE FUCK no. You would vote for someone who does something like beating his wife as long as he’s pushing your idea?!

Jesus Christ stay away from me.

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