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[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 month ago

I hate that the extreme polarity of things right now keeps us from having the important conversations surrounding the kernels of truth within people’s mistrust and dissatisfaction.

It is a fact that the government has made a habit of lying to people. It is a fact that the cover of medical experimentation has been used to justify atrocities against minorities within the last 100 years.

However, it is not true that @JoeTruth1488 on 4Chan is likely to have all the answers to a conspiracy in plain sight. It is not true that InfoWars is spitting facts while everyone else is out to get you.

I can understand the mistrust of the system, but I can’t understand the conclusion that some anonymous yahoo with no inside perspective somehow has the resources to have figured it all out.

[-] lath@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

They make it make sense in the way the reader wants it to make sense.

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

There is nothing wrong with having a dissenting conclusion from your own observations, but accepting some internet creators conclusions as your own without scrutiny is equally as bad or worse than accepting the government lies they say they are rejecting. If they applied the same skepticism to their fringe news sources, we’d be in a better place, I think.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I can understand the mistrust of the system, but I can’t understand the conclusion that some anonymous yahoo with no inside perspective somehow has the resources to have figured it all out.

There was always some percentage of the population that believes in that stuff, for a variety of understandable reasons.

That's... fine. It kinda worked.

The problem is social media has amplified those voices by orders of magnitude because they're engaging (hence, profitable). The missing panel above is the FB post, YT segment, podcast (all recommended algorithmically) or whatever that led that guy down the rabbit hole.

In other words, It's not a content problem, but an engagement one.

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

I definitely agree. I’m old enough to remember when Alex Jones just had his late night radio show in Austin, and he was actually kind of fun back then. It was all about the hollow moon, reptilians, and grey aliens hosting the Bohemian Grove parties. Once he got an internet channel, it was a whole different ballgame.

I miss the days of quaint kooks instead of dangerous kooks.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 59 points 1 month ago

I can’t imagine how many wives are living this exact scenario

[-] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 44 points 1 month ago

I'm sure tons of spouses are living this reality. Have you not seen The deluge of Karen types talking about how vaccines are a hoax?

[-] loomy@lemy.lol 24 points 1 month ago

RFK stands for Really a F'n Karen

[-] reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago

Sexist fuck. Wives also pull this crap, you feminazi.

[-] blargle@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago
[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oh this is so good...

[-] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 27 points 1 month ago

I have known a ton of people like this. The hardest part of dealing with it is that sometimes they are right. It's typically a case where they came to the correct conclusion but arrived there by faulty logic and/or false information.

All they will ever recognize is that the were right, doesn't matter why or how. They never actually learned any lesson, they'll ignore the myriad other cases where they were absolutely wrong, while they continue to use the same baseless methodology to form future opinions and conclusions.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

They expect science to be 100 percent full proof. Because they don't understand how science works. It's a big proportion that agrees or disagrees with the process.

Can I find some doctors that say the vaccine is crap? Sure. Anyone can. But how many compared to those that say that the vaccine is good. And then you lose them in all that certainty.

They want the comfort because they lack the ability to use critical thinking. They do not realize that certainty is a luxury that very few things are awarded in life.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

That’s because they’re looking for confirmation, not truth.

It’s not so much that they’re dumb (even if they are), it’s that they’re stubborn and unwilling to change their mind.

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

It's like a whole new tier of stupid.

You've figured out people with good will and that are trying to do it correctly? Yeah well...

Now, you've leveled up and have to deal with actual bozos and people with fried brains

[-] theblips@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

They also generally come from a place of justified distrust of modern day mass (and sometimes even specialized) media, which makes it harder to reason with them.
Much of the problem is the false assumption that their dumb internet forums and influencers aren't being manipulative as well, by different and more ruthless actors... Yeah, dude, the government does shady stuff and manipulates people and narratives, but Andrew Tate telling you to cheat on your wife while exposing your kids to polio isn't better is it?

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago

"Honey can you check the mail? Oh, you didn't get your degree in biochemistry yet? What about the biomedical engineering degree? Not that one either? Hmm.."

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

People like this don't think they missed anything, they think it's a deliberate cover-up. Yeah, and I mean like the average dude thinks that.

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be, it's C.C. here, uh, Chris, from New York, Westchester County...

Earth is flat, space is fake, and I have to make videos in my car because my wife doesn't let me make them in the house anymore because even she thinks I'm a fucking moron.

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

"god you're such a fucking moron"

[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago

Being anti vax is dumb. But we do need to acknowledge that what people are exposed to through legacy media isn't all of science. They dont normally expose you to information that tells you things like the best cure is prevention or that so much of the food in the US is abysmal and needs to be regulated

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

There are lots of independent theoreticians who have done independent work, then brought it out to a scientific community and it's sparked a ton of interest.

And I do mean "independent theoretician" as in a respectful euphemism to "mad bastards", although I prefer the latter. You could also use "a touch too inspired".

Okay well this guy was an actual academic, but the fox breeder came to mind first. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Belyayev_(zoologist)

Then three was the woman who mapped the entire sea floor by fucking drawing it painstakingly herself from like sonar scan results. She's essentially who discovered good proof of tectonic plates. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Tharp

Tharp's discovery of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge caused a paradigm shift in earth science that led to the acceptance of the theories of plate tectonics and continental drift.

Okay well yeah she was an academic as well but those are just two massive names I can think of rn. And loads of us on Lemmy are actually academic, technically.

But anyway, basically the argument in the comic could've been used against those people, and definitely was against the plate tectonic lady.

Hell, the guy who figured out surgeons were killing patients but the morgue-full just because they weren't washing their hands tried desperately convincing people to wash their hands and doctors just kept mocking him like "haha, as if it was our faults the patients died, right, yeah, tiny little bits of corpses on our hands, yea, haha, good one, Semmelweiss".

Dude became rather aggravated that he'd figured it out and no-one listened. Ended up in an asulym and died of sepsis, the very thing he fought against so hard.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives

I feel that guy. Can share his frustration.

[-] vivendi@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah I don't think cousin fucker McHillbilly from Wyoming or wherever the fuck has anything to do with these

Also, these are statistical outliers which make great news headlines. In reality most scientific advancements happen in academia but you can't make good clickbait for wine aunts like that

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean obviously most advancements happen in academy.

I'm just saying it's not completely unrealistic for someone to actually realise something others have not.

I understand the depiction is of someone probably non-academic, but like... have you seen Slavoj Zizek?

That's an academic. Highly so.

My point is rather that yeah, let's mock anti-science dumb dumb, but also, let's not idolise academic institutions. They're much better for objective research and general advancement. But lots of their material are available for people who aren't actively in academia and can still utilise it.

I wish I had better examples, but yeah, I'm not defending the meme as being wrong, I'm just pointing out the stereotypes ans discussing nuances.

Fuck those "do your own research people", but love the people who actually do do proper research on their own, quote sourced, and actually contribute something, no matter how small.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
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[-] Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

"Oh no no! They didn't miss that information. They're ignoring that information because big pharma something something..... "

[-] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

Assuming this is in response to our MAGAt administration revoking authorization for children and healthy adults under 65?

[-] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 11 points 1 month ago

No, it's a comment about people refusing to believe professionals and experts know their field of study because they can't understand the problem themselves.

[-] detun3d@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Every once in a very long while a miracle can happen, like when some people called out drinking so much milk daily couldn't be good.

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