Just a reminder: This community has a "No politics" rule.

However, as long as the discussion remains around the meta topic of political discussions, as a general concept, you may carry on.

"agree to disagree". Wow man. I mean, maybe, that was possible, like 15 years ago. Possibly. But are you taking a look around? Israel committing outright genocide. Russia doing it's best to do the same. America gearing up the 4th Reich. There is no room for the benefit of the doubt. There exists entire swathes of people ready to see me and my wife hang for our existence. I will not compromise, and you will have to pry that opinion from my cold dead body.

Wow I hated this. Upvoted.

I just want all of you to be normal.

Normal is what got us here, so I'll pass.

You can either be ‘political’ or you can have politics done to you.

It’s no accident that political discussion is everywhere. The world is in crisis and a lot of us are not willing to go along to get along. So be tired and check out, but don’t complain when the jackbooted thugs knock on YOUR door.

You get an upvote but I hope you realize you’re in ‘politics’ whether you like it or not. The apathy of the masses is why the authoritarians are alllowed to take over.

You guys infect everything with misplaced social justice, constantly finding to ruin everything on the basis of your apparent prejudice.

Absolutely agreed on this one. I like Lemmy because there's no ads and at least mods and admins intentions are honorable. However, amongst the users there's certainly some hostile, nutty, tribal types around. There's a variety of topics about which any comments but breathless support for the majority opinion will get you brigaded and downvoted to hell.

I'm not quite ready to agree that we're the same as a conservative echo-chamber. We don't do nutty conspiracies like white genocide in south africa for example. We don't do double standards on the same scale like accepting fancy planes from terrorists.

I'm not necessarily sick of political discussion, just the knee-jerk mudslinging it always fucking devolves into (as you described).

You guys infect everything with misplaced social justice, constantly finding to ruin everything on the basis of your apparent prejudice. You can't wait to bring people down, and never the other way around.

I agree, and those kinds of comments need to be reported for at least civility. Being passionate about what's happening is one thing; that's justified, understandable, and shows that there are still good people in the world. However, constantly beating everyone over the head with it, turning every comment section into "Six degrees of fascism/genocide/etc" by throwing out insane troll logic purity tests is another thing entirely.

I absolutely dread diving into any comment thread here when certain hot-button topics are posted.

People are gonna people. The method by which they people doesn't change this. Find a real, physical group. It'll end up the same as a community on social media.

So many people sit here in the safety of Lemmy dunking on Republicans but everyone gets a vote at the end of the day so it’s all for nothing unless you actually change people’s minds.

If people bring up politics where it has no place I just block them. I am very generous with the block button. Try me lol

EDIT: after being so long winded myself I did go read your whole post XP

I’m going to be real honest and say I didn’t read your whole post, but I get and agree with the sentiment. Only thing I’ll add is that, to a degree, the easy creation of those echo chambers is the point of the fediverse. The point of picking your instance is to find like minded users you align with. This actually, to me, makes it feel more “normal,” like you describe. Your standard text and discord group chats feel homey. To me the word I like is “local”. Which is also the term the fediverse uses for browsing your instance. Just by filtering by local I know I’m seeing content from people I would happily join a voice call with, or even meet in person.

Maybe just browse by local more? Maybe move to a niche instance? Host an instance for your geographic area. Or use mastodon and just follow hashtags. These tools are exactly the point of the fediverse, to give you fine control over your feed and make a social media platform designed to be put down. You’ll see the new posts from people and about things you’re interested in and then you’re done. If you want to go find the toxicity of course it’s there, but that is in fact optional!

What is the adage? “If you let a single nazis into your bar, it is already a nazi bar”? We actually can and should be intolerant of the intolerant, otherwise tolerance will be wiped out. If you aren’t having fun because of the people in your particular echo chamber, find a different one. Healthy echo chambers exist, and I generally refer to that as community. I often call my instance and the board I mod “the comm” when talking about them. I think this more local feeling helps people put their humanity back into social media and actually get to know each other. Anonymity really twists certain people, but to me federated social media helps remind me there’s a human just like me on the other end of the keyboard.

Bruh. Turn off the screen and go outside then.

Hello, other side of the rock here. Did you just become self aware? Everything is inherently political in society and normality is subjective.

Everything is political.

Don't like politics? Don't engage with anything or anyone.

I couldn’t agree more. On average, the people commenting on these threads are out of their minds. They’re constantly on the hunt for “the other,” and the moment you start making noises that don’t perfectly align with the accepted beliefs of the hivemind, you’re viciously attacked and practically forced to defend yourself against completely baseless, bad-faith ad hominem accusations.

EDIT: See the replies from FelixCress below to my other comment for a perfect example.

I even made a post about this around a week ago, asking whether a heavily moderated community exists where bad actors would be immediately shown the door. Unsurprisingly, I got attacked for that too - and was implicitly accused of being a fascist and a rapist, because of course only such people would want to have serious conversations with others capable of civil discourse, while everyone with a functioning moral compass apparently wouldn’t be able to participate - as if pushing back in a reasonable, polite manner isn’t even an option.