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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) by hopesdead@startrek.website to c/daystrominstitute@startrek.website

In “The Ultimate Computer”, the duotronic M-5 computer was deemed a failure which sent its creator Richard Daystrom into a nervous breakdown. Not only did Daystrom experience psychological distress (probably the most polite way to describe it), but was responsible for a machine that killed upwards of 53 people.

Why would a person responsible for the invention of a computer that unintentionally killed (unintentionally as in, not ordered to do so) get their name enshrined? Is there anything to explain why such a troubled person that ended up killing others in a quest to eliminate the risk of human death, would inspire anyone to name an organization after them?

EDIT: I need to add some complicating facts to this. “Chose Your Pain” (DIS season 1 episode 5) gives Daystrom Institute a founding date of 2256, which is before TOS. So based on comments, likely the duotronic computer is why the name was picked.

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[-] data1701d@startrek.website 5 points 23 hours ago

This is firmly Memory Beta canon, but this bit from the Star Trek Adventures Core Rulebook still feels like an interesting addition to this conversation:

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I didn’t notice this before but in Alpha canon Daystrom Institute was founded in 2256, before TOS. So this speech doesn’t make sense. The writer probably didn’t know that either.

EDIT: I need to clarify that this information is from “Chose Your Pain”, so it came along after “The Ultimate Computer”.

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 17 hours ago

It looks like this rulebook was released 2 months before the Discovery episode.

Honestly, I think I’d personally consider the Disco naming a canon goof up - Daystrom was only 37 years old at that point. While he’d certainly done a lot in his career by then, it still feels weird to name such a major part of Starfleet after him when he’s still relatively young.

I think my headcannon, and a reasonable retcon in my opinion, is that there was a predecessor organization to Daystrom, somewhat like how there was NACA before there was NASA. When Discovery mentions Daystrom, they should actually be mentioning the predecessor organization.

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 3 points 16 hours ago

Daystrom Institute is UFP, not Starfleet affiliated. Hence why those who work at Daystrom aren’t Starfleet.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 13 points 1 day ago

He was already famous for inventing duotronics, and the M-5 debacle was probably classified or otherwise not common knowledge.

[-] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This has to be it. He's famous from the computer research. He revolutionized a new type of computing.

The murderous AI was just one project that went wrong. It's a cautionary tale of science of knowledge. He created a computer smart enough to think, thus triggering a whole ethical branch that had never been seen before. It's a common theme in technology throughout the ages. Technology isn't evil or immoral, but the way it is used can be.

A corkscrew is a wonderful piece of techology. Used incorrectly or with malice, it can be a terrifying weapon. The same can be said for just about any other kitchen instrument. Mellonballer. Electric beater. Cheese grater. Etc... Getting rid of this kitchen technology isn't a better way to reduce violence, education on proper use of tools is a far better approach. Teaching empathy helps, too. If M5 had empathy...

If we needed everyone we want to name anything after was required to be a saint, we wouldn't have anybody to name stuff after.

Churchill - the man who rose to lead his country through WW2 - was a big colonial killer in India before. Both the reformator Luther and the philosopher Kant were raging antisemites. A non-insignificant number of US founding fathers held slaves. Bill Clinton balanced the budget while molesting an intern (and allegedly worse). It's rare that we already know the president is a sexual predator before he gets elected. Yet, there will be a probably very small library named after 47 if there isn't one already. It's probably the best library in the world!

History goes through many hands before it gets whittled to a generally agreed upon narrative. Churchill was lucky in real life. Daystromn was lucky in canon. And while sympathies may change over time, I'm not expecting a name change in trek Okinawa.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 day ago

Nobel prize....

At some point a name is just a name, time buys forgiveness

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