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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wealth inequality is the cause of almost every single economic and social issue in existence.

If young men had the money to have agency in their lives they would be living life instead of living with their parents to save money while seeking validation through internet fascists.

If school wasn't desigend to be a day care service for Capitalists our children would be properly socialized with the different sexes/genders before getting the chance to grow up into incels.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

I call it economic infantilization.

Back in 1960 US minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the average US home was $11,000.00 A brand new car was around $2,500.00 A teenager could move out of the house and be self supporting and grade school kid could work hard and pay for a car on their 18th birthday.

It's hard to feel like an independent adult when you can't afford anything.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How can we help them make more friends? How can we get them involved in real-world activities that will diminish their time spent online?

By locking them into suburban houses with no places to go without being driven by their parents, until they're old enough to drive. 🇺🇸🇨🇦

And then making cars impossibly expensive, teenage boys uninsurable as drivers, wages hilariously low, and reliable transportation a prerequisite for employment.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Those profits aren't going to make themselves!

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 1 week ago

It was never gonna work out forever. Capitalism is really young and has never really been sustainable.

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[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Raising kids these days must be a real minefield with all this toxic culture being so accessible.

[-] Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Fundamentalist religion is at the top of the toxic culture, and it has been around since before the incel term.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Anyone offering easy answers to complex questions should be suspect. And that does largely incriminate all religious groups around the world. They often espouse seemingly decent and benign ideologies. But unfortunately the mindset that latches on to those things, idealogues; are the danger. Even if the ideology themselves aren't necessarily.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

We had an easy answer - a decent paying job that offered a decent lifestyle and a hope for a better future but the rich took it away.

[-] Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

They often espouse seemingly decent and benign ideologies.

Sometimes they are so conditioned that they don't even think of their bigotry as bigotry.

I think organized religion fills their heads with problematic ideas about gender roles.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Sooooo… when are we gonna admit that men’s mental health is unfortunaly heavily tied to their career prospects?

No, not yet?

Okay I’ll keep waiting.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

sigh

It's capitalism.

Men's well being wouldn't be tied to career prospects if it weren't for the rat race we are all brainwashed into since birth that is capitalism.

You have worth as a human beyond your capacity to produce profit.

[-] Saff@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah and the reason young men are finding it hard to have real life friends and end up on uncle forums is because we lost most of our “third spaces” thanks to them not making money and shutting down or being underfunded or closed if they were publicly owned.

Ontop of this the constant algorithms that push specific topics to people over and over due to it keeping them on the platform and therefore generates income.

It does feel like 75% of this problem could be fixed by stopping corporate greed and fixing our local communities as whole.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I went to a Humans vs. Zombies Nerf war at a university campus a few weeks ago. A couple hundred people, real strong mix of men, women, and others. A healthy mingling of people who were clearly gun hobby adjacent and a lot of openly queer folk, which I think is really quite encouraging to see. Everyone had a good time, no issues the whole day. Good vibes all around.

At the end of the event, the student organizers tearfully announced that the school administration had decided to ban all blaster events on campus going forward. Fuck us all for trying to have a healthy good time, right?

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Reading these comments makes understanding why the world is in its current state, extremely easy

Keep preaching and applying that brand of empathy guys, it will surely pay off eventually

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The simple fact is no one really cares about the plight of men, and this is obvious when you look at social service funding and especially homeless shelters.

We are in a 'bare branch' crisis, and back when this happened in medieval China, whole gangs of angry unmarriable men would form raider bands and just pillage and rape until they were put down by the military. It happened so often that warring states would purposely stage useless battles with massive losses on both sides to keep down the 'bare branch' population so they didn't get to rioting levels.

Maybe the fact that warfare is no longer culling the most desperate, lonely, and impressionable men has let to such a large population of unfocused, angry, lonely, and fundamentally unlikeable males.

It's mainly because biologically we evolved to have kids and die on a hunt, our evolution pressures just aren't capable of handling a male population without a certain degree of unnatural casualty.

[-] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

While we're making shit up, did you know the sky is purple? 1 + 1 = 3. Since we don't need sources, up is down, and you are correct. You are also not an incel, and it's 25 o clock.

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

US version of Japan's Hikikomori?

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

What a terrible article. NEETS and lie flat movement has almost no overlap with incels.

[-] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Ostensibly the whole world has been online for enough time now. Yet everyone continues to demonstrate a remarkable lack of ability to grasp internet cultures.

It makes no sense. Like trying to explain technology to my elderly grandma. Except she knows she's very old and out of touch. What's everyone elses excuse. It's made even worse because everyone else thinks they are digitial culture savvy.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

It's intentional to cause infighting and and to help build the association between neets and incels.

Ars Technica is owned by Conde Nast media conglomerate, which is owned by Advanced Publications, which is owned and controlled by the billionaire Newhouse Family.

That's why Steve Newhouse wants these types of articles to be written, because it obfuscates truth and pushes division.

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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[-] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Aren't these guys misusing blackpilled? I thought it was specifically for suicide not just going NEET? Which like we should talk about but not through this corporate productivity-washed drivel.

[-] bier@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

If you also didn't know

"Not in Education, Employment or Training", its an acronym for people that don't go to school, don't work and are mot looking for work.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

"It's important to remember that it's not zero-sum. We can care about the well-being of women and girls and also acknowledge that young men are struggling, too. Those don't have to be at odds."

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[-] WatDabney@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

Holy fuck I'm glad I'm not growing up now. This whole "incel" thong just makes me so fucking mad.

We have a subset of adolescent males who are harassed amd bullied and depressed and self-destructive, and how does the rest of socirty respond? The best they can manage is to gridgingly say things like:

You can both condemn their ideology and find it abhorrent and also remember that we need to have empathy for these people."

Many people—women especially—might find that a tall order, and Beckett-Herbert understands that reluctance. "I do understand people's hesitancy to empathize with them, because it feels like you're giving credence to their rhetoric," she said. "But at the end of the day, they are human, and a lot of them are really struggling, marginalized people coming from pretty sad backgrounds. When you peruse their online world, it's the most horrifying, angering misogyny right next to some of the saddest mental health, suicidal, low self-esteem stuff you've ever seen. I think humanizing them and having empathy is going to be foundational to any intervention efforts to reintegrate them. But it's something I wrestle with a lot."

How nice. You think maybe you should try to empathize with them and remember that they are human beings, but gee... that's a tall order. You're not sure if you can actually do it.

And then you have the gall to wonder why they exist - how they got to be that way. You should, if you genuinely want to do something about them, be offering them help to deal with their struggles before they even get to that stage. But no - you won't do that. Fuck them - they're boys, so they're on their own.

We can care about the well-being of women and girls and also acknowledge that young men are struggling, too. Those don't have to be at odds."

So that's the best you can do? You "care about" girls and women but can only maybe manage to "acknowleedge" boys and men? And you still don't understand the appeal of the manosphere?

"There is evidence that men who are short or not conventionally attractive are discriminated against in hiring.

So right there - there is evidence that one of the things the incel community complains about is in fact true.

But do you even acknowledge it? Nope.

"But there's also a lot of evidence suggesting that this actually affects women more. Women who are overweight face a greater bias against them in hiring than men do, for example."

You just breeze right past it and dismiss their feelings entirely, because girls and women have it worse.

Seriously, you still don't get how we ended up with a generation of boys who think the world shits on them and girls and women get preferential treatment? Even after you just shat on them and gave girls preferential treatment?

Here's va fucking news flash, since so many people are apparentlybtoo fucking stupid to figure itvout - if you all actually cared about thecstruggles boys are going through and listened to them and took them seriously and tried to help them, they wouldn't have to turn to the manosphere to find someone who gives a shit about them.

It's not complicated, so you have no fucking excuse. Stop belittling boys and treating their problems as if they somehow don't count.

If the best you can manage is to maybe "acknoeledge" boys' problems, even as you "care about" girls', and you can't even mention a problem boys experience without immediately shifting your focus away from them and to girls, then the boys aren't the real problem - you are.

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