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Liberalism is when you believe in voting against fascism to lessen the burdens on engaging in actual leftist action, I guess.

Extremely dire turbolib statement here, RIP

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[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Major PTB and hypocrisy. Accelerationists/anti-electoralists are fucking LARPer anarchists, at best, who buy into the same sort of political religion that tankies do. Refusing to use any tools at ones disposal to to stop fascists is pure performative bullshit. Being not just willing but enthusiastic about sacrificing vulnerable people on the altar of socio-political changes that have never in history come from such acts is amoral and in direct conflict with attempting to improve the human condition and establish any sustainable anarchic society.

And before they pile on and say "oh but liberal democracy is fundamentally unjust", well, the world isn't fucking black and white. Making lives worse, by all historical data, just increases human suffering. Want to take to the streets and do some direct action and use other tools of political change? Do it. If you're going to talk the talk, walking the fucking walk or shut the fuck up with the performative claims of moral superiority because all evidence shows that you have done nothing to assuage human suffering but opened the door for those who want to cause more of it.

Also, banning someone for dissent in a comm apparently dedicated to anarchism? That is not behavior in line with anarchic organization and is pure abuse of power over others to give oneself an artificially louder voice. Best to hang up that mod jacket until you learn to stop being a fucking poser.

ETA: Sorry for the aggressive tone but I'm pretty tired of people being too far up themselves to care about how their political actions effect others and even more tired of faux anarchists abusing their power to silence others' voices.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This community is anarchist-flavored. Reactionary takes won't be tolerated.

and

This is an anarchist comm. You don't have to be an anarchist to post, but you should at least understand what anarchism actually is. We're not here to educate you.

But I think I should make the rules more explicit about liberal electoralism brainrot.

EDIT:

Here's a more explicit rule for you. but as always the FAFO is in effect for the next time you think something is not explicit enough.

No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can't control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago
  • Goes inside an anarchist space
  • Calls all anarchists stupid for not voting for fascists
  • Gets banned for breaking the rules

Yep, it's a PugJesus moment. "Vaguely leftist".

So much for "I don't get a thrill out of debates." I wonder how long PJ will complain about db0 like he did with blahaj.

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[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can’t control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.

Love this!

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 6 points 3 days ago

I figured you might come in here with some well mannered annihilation of op. Pleasure to read it. Thank you for your service.

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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

PTB

Despite this being one of the things i disagree with Pug on, voting for Kamala Harris was objectively the correct choice last election.

The way we escape the Duopoly is to abandon it, but there were no viable 3rd party choices.

Also none of what I said so far can justify the moderation decisions made. Censoring this kind of speech is a bad look for the anarcho-communist community.

Delacruz was electable, if we voted for her.

[-] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 6 points 1 day ago

I'm gonna be honest this is my first time hearing that name

[-] Salamence@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

her full name was claudia de la cruz she was was a candidate of the PSL and got 160k votes

Third party presidential candidate from... I firget which party, the kinda-socialistish one i think. I heard someone responding to a lib saying we should have fallen in line behind their ghoul with turning the argument around, and stole the fuck out of it. Its a great reminder that 'unity' does not mean 'do whatever the libs want at all times'.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Oh yeah deltarune has been great, just dropped this week!

[-] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 8 points 3 days ago

I think the thing a lot of people are missing is that abandoning the duopoly, or any other major political reform, is NOT a "just vote in this one election bro I swear" deal. These things take time. Sometimes a lot of time. And until that time where it happens, you need to spend each election thinking "how is this going to affect progress towards our goal". And allowing trump to win did nothing but push us closer to having a republican monopoly. See all those news articles of local government republicans in power suddenly starting to host town hall meetings that are republican only.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't like him or want him in charge, but if Trump wasn't elected in 2024 then he would have been in 2028.

The upside is trump getting elected probably spurs more apathetic people to get involved than continuing to slowly boil the frog.

Same thing happened after 2016, the Republicans got fucked in the midterms.

Its hard to not sound accelerationist, but yes. If the sword of damocles isnt going away, and things will jot improve in the meantime; go for it.

[-] lath@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

He might be dead due to health problems by then though.

Im not willing to bet that will stop him winning elections.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

Don't feel too bad, I've run into this shit in real life while trying to get leftists into action. Not even voting, but doing direct things. The idea then was that any action not tearing down the establishment was wasted.

My response? Great to fucking hear that, let's do it. Their response? Leave, you fucking plant.

People are fucking morons.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Some people just want to LARP to make themselves feel good. The boring - or conversely, dangerous - aspects of pushing forward change don't interest them.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 3 days ago

I agree with the last sentence. Its a pile of shit to get anything done in this world that is not fucking it up further.

But here we are. I cook for the people, i write software for them, i help them get their computers set up. Fucking up capitalfashism one thing at a time.

Good luck on your journey.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago
[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Citation: the world ;)

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

[citation needed]

Citation needed for... someone... recounting their experiences in a real-life situation

... do you know what a citation is

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

morally

smh.

voting against fascism

LOL YDI. Liberalism works in cooperation with fascism. All of your politician heroes are working with fascists right now. They're in the same buildings doing the same things. This whole "voting against fascism" when you're talking about a genocidal prosecutor is gross AF.

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 8 points 3 days ago

It's okay. I like your turbolib ways. Keep posting you bodacious bastard.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Apparently being anticapitalist isn't enough anymore. Only opposition to casting a ballot for any reason can absolve one of the taint of Liberalism(tm).

Though that still doesn't explain what rule I was actually banned for supposedly violating.

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 18 points 3 days ago

Ok

Here I think is their rule:

They kicked you for arguing too much.

Honestly, the rest of the comment section ALSO should have been booted off that was the case, but you were the one blocking the ~~echoes~~ Fung Shui.

I found it most enlightening that voting is not the answer, unless you are voting for anarchism.

Just remember, structure and the exercise of power is violence, so listen to the mods and take your three day ban 🙃

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

I try to leave some leeway for people to argue, but I will admit I was considering locking the whole thread.

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 13 points 3 days ago

Given the guidelines, that may have been more fair.

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[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 4 points 3 days ago

Yeah, that line of thinking can absolve my taint.

Pretty sure the propaganda is liberals are super evil, vote for the lesser of 2 evils. If you are liberal, you should boycott the vote. That's how America got the way it is. If you like being controlled people, be sure to follow the propaganda.

I didn't read the rules because they are made up anyway. If you give me a minute, I can try playing devil's advocate.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

You only commented once there?

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I wonder why Pug hasn't responded with his relevant comments after being asked.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago
[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Maybe someday Pug will at least try to follow comm rules. Until then, Crickets.

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[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

YDI.

Don't go into subs that you don't agree with, just to argue or try to prove someone wrong, and then get mad when you get kicked out for it.

Read the room, friend.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Wanna bet if you did the same, .world would want you banned again?

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not sure what you mean. I never posted stuff to .world to just stir up trouble. When I was still on .world, it was before the election. And Lemmy was a much different place right before the election; as in even more extreme and pro-censorship.

I was hated on .world c/politics (and most of Lemmy) because I advocated for third party, and was vocal that I was gonna vote third party. I was a proud supporter of the socialist party, and that's the way I voted.

My posts are still there, and can be seen by anyone. The reason I got banned is because I double-posted (accidentally) an article from newsweek that said that Trump was rising in the polls. The post that got me banned is still there. Anyone can see it.

Lemmy was pissed at anyone who posted anything about Trump rising in the polls. .worlders all said it wasn't true, Newsweek was russian propaganda (!), I was a russian accepting money to post, I'd disappear after the election, etc. Boom! Then ban hammer.

Well, turns out that Trump WAS rising in the polls. He DID win the election. And I DID vote socialist party. And I'm STILL on Lemmy.

So I was correct about every single thing I posted on .world. And I stand by all my posts, and I'm glad they are still there. And now Lemmy isn't as opposed to third parties, now that they see all the nonsense that happened with duopoly's.

Also, I STILL support socialist party, and still post socialist links. And .world (and most of Lemmy) still hates me. lmao

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Oh I know, you were in good faith and got banned. PJ is dishonest and enters spaces where he's intentionally stirring up shit and then whines when he gets banned.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Ahhh, ok, sorry for my overly long explanation then. I wasn't sure what you were implying. And yes, I agree, PJ likes to stir up drama.

Thank you, friend!

[-] isekaihero@ani.social 0 points 2 days ago

An anarchist not respecting free speech and enforcing rules on a forum is hilarious to me.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

As we all know, anarchism is no rules, and the less rules there are, the more anarchist it is.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

In 2 years, when ICE will be going door to door doing blatant curb stomps, pug Jesus is still going to be whining about tankies not voting for genocide, as he posts bizarre memes about the good old days of the Union beating the confederates. Absolutely bizarre.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

PJ will say that its actually people being on lemmy why Trump is in power today, without a hint of irony.

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