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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ericbomb@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

The sidewalks are really dangerous where I am, where they are super uneven, have "artistic" curves, and trees that are overhanging really low so like will hit my body.

I go max 15 MPH on my escooter and if I hear a ding ding I jump onto the sidewalk and go a bit slower until you guys pass, since I'm slower and can dismount easier it only makes sense for me to make room. I figure as long as I make room it "shouldn't" be a problem.

But just wondering if there are any bike riders that are just like shaking their fist at escooter riders.

EDIT: USA!

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[-] DrMoronicAcid@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago

In my eyes having someone on an escooter in front of me is no different to having a slower cyclist in front. So it wouldn't bother me.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Slower? The guy said he does 15mph, that's pretty standard bicycle speed for me, I could go faster if I'm trying to really race somewhere but then my leggies get tireds >.<

Electric motor scooters are pretty neat, I wish I had one, but they're sooo expensive :-(

One day, after the apocalypse makes money obsolete, I'll take one from an abandoned shop while I'm scavenging for food :-D

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[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 year ago

Thingsthat go bicycle speed belong in the bike lane. Things that go faster go in the car lane. Things that go slower belong inthe people lane,

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[-] ericisshort@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

It’s not really up to Lemmy.

Please check your local laws regarding scooters and other electric powered vehicles bike lanes. If it’s legal, go ahead and ride there all you want.

[-] ericbomb@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

No laws against it, but I'm just curious if I'm angering the faster and more athletic folks!

[-] 1st@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

I'll be much more irritated if you're on the sidewalk. It's more dangerous for pedestrians and for you. When you're biking you expect to have to pass people whether it's because they're a slower cyclist or using a escooter. My old apartment had an exit at a blind corner and dealing with escooter riders on the sidewalk was hellish. I would pull out slowly so that pedestrians had plenty of time to stop, but when scooters became popular I had to start creating forward at a painfully slow pace because people going bike speeds somehow thought it was okay to be on the sidewalk.

[-] ericbomb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

There is a specific place I use sidewalk, but I always go slower and go onto street or walk by pedestrians.

The road is just super busy and nowhere to possibly be on road.

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Please ride in the bike lane, not the sidewalk. Go whatever speed feels safe for you.

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago

Not only do I agree on the basis of everyone's safety, but I WANT to see crowded bike lanes. Because eventually, I'd like bike lanes to replace cars, and outgrowing infrastructure is a basic part of expanding and changing it.

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[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago

I figure as long as I make room it “shouldn’t” be a problem.

👍

As a cyclist, I'd say "welcome" because more people using the road means motorists are going to see more varied road users and thus be more conscious of them. So that should make the roads safer. I hope that reasoning works out.

15mph (24 km/h) is pretty quick. I could keep up with you, and I'm only using leg power. I average around 12mph.

[-] benwubbleyou@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I cycle every day to work and back and see e scooters everywhere, doesn’t bother me none as long as they follow road signage.

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago

Bike Riders of lemmy, you okay with me riding my eScooter in the bike lane?

As far as I'm concerned, you're just another bike :)

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[-] twistypencil@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I don't mind bikes, E or otherwise, in the bike lane, I do mind gas powered scooters, vespa etc. I'm not sure I can put a pin in why, except they stink and often are riding too fast and weaving in and out wrecklessly and just using the bike lane as a passing lane, returning to the regular road when they can

Why? Because the gas ones will actively ruin the bike path. They are much heavier and will cause much quicker wear and tear. Of course you also shouldn't have to breathe the fumes from them.

[-] electromage@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Noisy and stinky should be enough. But yeah they often seem to be driven by people who don't regard others.

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In Denmark youre essentially considered a bike.

I would personally have an easier time you rode and acted like a cyclist. Much safer for you.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 15 points 1 year ago

It matters less where you're riding and more which set of rules you are following. If you're on a sidewalk, or opposing traffic, you need to behave as a pedestrian. If you're riding with traffic, you need to behave as a vehicle.

There is one rule underlying all traffic rules: Be Predictable. Even if you're following all the applicable laws and regulations, if people can't figure out what you're trying to do, you are wrong.

To that effect, if you hang a red light on your ass and a white light up front, everyone will expect you to operate like a vehicle.

[-] garyyo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

15 mph is plenty fast enough to belong in the bike lane. You're good bro.

[-] nameisnotimportant@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I'm Swiss but I reply because that's an interesting topic 👍

Yeah please ride on the bike lane, I'm shocked to see how many people ride their e-scooters on the sidewalk

[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

We just had law amended to take into account eScooters. This is the exact thing they decided was okay. Up to 25km/h on bike lane or bike track or 6km/h (walking speed) on pedestrian paths. So I don't personally mind eScooters as long as they behave properly, signaling turns, paying attention and not dangerously overtaking. This also applies to cyclists and all the other users of these lanes.

[-] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago

I'm not in a major city but I absolutely believe you have full rights to use the bike lane, no questions asked. I would say you're going far above and beyond by jumping off for a second and letting people pass.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

As long as you limit weaving side to side. I generally wouldn’t mind pedestrians except they’re so damn unpredictable

[-] radix@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

I say it's perfectly fine to be in the bike lane. Much better than the sidewalk, when you're going at that speed.

However, I would like to emphasize the importance of staying to the right at all times unless passing someone. Cyclists, bikers (less adept cyclists), and escooter riders should all adhere to this, but in my experience escooters are far less likely to do so. Same with signaling


tell people around you with hand signals which way you're going to go well in advance, and go (gradually, carefully) toward that side of the bike lane / bike path before turning to ensure you don't cut anyone off. Don't weave between people. Be aware of your surroundings. Please don't kill or maim anyone.

Good luck out there! Welcome to the land of the free from cars!

[-] win95@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago

I'm the Netherlands where everyone and their mom rides bikes and we have bike lanes everywhere, escooters / ebikes / regular scooters all go on the bike lane. It's less dangerous to go a bit slower than a fast biking person (like a grandma on a regular bike) and just staying on the right, than the dangers on the sidewalk.

[-] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I don't care where you ride it as long as you don't act like a douchebag

[-] Airazz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

In my country electric scooters are classified as bicycles, so they must use bicycle lane if one is available. To clarify, E-scooters like this one, not like electric Vespa or something. Their top speed must be limited to 25 km/h.

[-] regdog@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It annoys me that now in 2023 we have so many vehicles that we call "scooter". I can think of three different types that fit the description.

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[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Just give me some notice you're passing me, that was always my fucking gripe with the food delivery guys in NYC. They just show up in your periphery and scare the fuck outta you. Ring a bell! Say hello! I'll say hello back! Goodbye!

[-] boyi@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

in the Netherlands, scooter can ride on the bicycle lane.

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bike lanes IMO are good for anything that needs a even level surface (as long as it's not a car).

Most sidewalks I come across always seems to ramp up and down for driveways. I would even say a mobility scooter or even a wheel chair is perfectly acceptable in a bike lane. Most sidewalks are way to narrow unfortunately.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

People really shouldn't be in a bike lane on a wheel chair when there's a sidewalk.

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[-] alokir@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

It doesn't bother me unless you go super slow, which is rare.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah go for it, but I need you to know you look goofy af

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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shouldnt be called bike line. It should be called "faster than walking lane", "above 15km/h" lane or something. The point is, it is for objects going faser than walking. No, i dont mind.

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[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

You should not be on the sidewalk so, if there is a bike lane, where else would you be?

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

15mph is usually at where ebikes are limited to aswell. Not many cyclists are passing me at those speeds.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

aswell

Nope. They can't go into the swells. The salt water will wreck them.

[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So long as you’re going the right direction of traffic I see no problem. Although every single person I encounter on an e-scooter in the bike lane is going the wrong direction so we might have a problem.

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[-] kambusha@feddit.ch 7 points 1 year ago

For me, bike lanes should have a weight limit (<100lbs / ~50kg or so). It seems like you're talking about the handlebar scooters as opposed to vespa scooters. Those are fine in my opinion. You're going fast enough to not cause a traffic jam and you're smaller than a bike, so you're not taking up any more space. In my city, the eScooters are usually faster than most bike commuters.

[-] StereoTrespasser@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Scooters are fine with me. What I can't stand are boneheaded joggers thinking the bike lane is some extension of the sidewalk.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fine by me, as long as you're not in a car lol

Feel free to stop by !micromobility@lemmy.world btw

[-] plsnotracking@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I think for the most part it’s just you being a fairly faster biker than me. e-scooter or mechanical scooter/bike, it’s all the same. IIRC calistenia just allowed e-scooters to ride in the bike lane :)

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

In my town here in sweden like at least 25% of the bike path traffic is e-scooters, i personally use both an e-bike and e-scooter and it's lovely.

[-] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

NL checking in here, under the circumstances you describe you are all cool and the gang. Do not ride on the sidewalk!

[-] WillRegex@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

~~I'll let you know when my town gets a bike lane.~~

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