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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Hey m@tes, as y'all know, this instance has been anti-corporate GenAI positive since it's creation and as such we've typically allowed such content to be posted freely. However in the last few weeks we've had a bunch of drama from GenAI haters who insist on coming into our comms and starting slap-fights. This caused us to vote on a new rule to have the mandate to clear out this constant friction. This worked to an extent, but I think we can help foster a better community with the larger threadiverse.

One issue a lot of anti-GenAI people keep bringing is that while they can block dedicated comms like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, they don't have an easy option to avoid GenAI content in random other /0 comms as there's no way to filter it out. This kind of content has been seen to cause a lot of strife, because people complain about its existence, while /0 admins and mods based on the above rule, tend to sanction those complaining. This then causes drama loops with /c/YPTB and /c/FuckAI etc.

There is a good point to be made here that while we don't mind GenAI content in /0, there isn't a reason to not help others avoid it. So we want to institute the following soft rule by now:

Simply tag your posts which consist of primarily GenAI content with the [GenAI] tag in their title. Not only will frontends like Tesseract will natively parse this as a tag and display it accordingly, but people who dislike such content, can simply filter it out of their feeds. Eventually lemmy will add tags which will make this tagging more seamless, but for now a manual tag in the title will suffice.

This rule only applies to posts in non-explicit GenAI comms. The assumption is that people can simply block those comms completely anyway.

As I said, this is a soft rule for now. Soft in the sense that you're not going to be sanctioned for forgetting it, but we hope people will remind you to do so. This is a good-faith attempt by us to co-exist and help others avoid what they don't want to stumble onto, much like [NSFW] tags. So I hope you'll add do a good faith attempt to help us in this. Furthermore, people who come to posts tagged as GenAI explicitly to scold and start slap-fights, will give the admins and easier justification to clean up, since they could have just filtered out that content in the first place.

Cheers

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IMO the problem is a lack of tags on Lemmy, which are often used as content warnings. With a robust tagging system, people would be able to filter out tags they dislike, such as genAI or politics.

[-] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 points 16 hours ago

This is what they are gonna call cyborgs born in the year 2100

[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago
[-] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

As a genAI hater, I appreciate this. I already block the dedicated communities as I see them in /all. This is helpful to filter out more of the outliers if posters cooperate and actually use the tag. (I think alot of genAI zealots get off on trying to see if people will notice their posts are AI.)

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago

I was wondering why everyone just didn't block the communities. Maybe their Lemmy clients do not have the option. I use Eternity and it works for me.

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 17 hours ago

genAi isn’t the problem, the zealots and fraudsters using it like that is the problem.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Most AI image generators that generate images add EXIF metadata indicating that the image is AI-generated. This helps people who want to identify AI-generated images readily.

In the case of ComfyUI, it even includes the entire workflow


like, another ComfyUI user can just grab the image, drop it onto their ComfyUI Web UI and they'll be right where the generating user was.

Unfortunately, EXIF metadata can contain location information


some cameras and such add it


and this metadata led to people posting images at places like Reddit being doxxed after they didn't realize that they were posting their GPS location and maybe real name, stuff that some cameras attach. As a result, a number of image-hosting places simply strip all metadata, to prevent users from from accidentally leaking this information.

Pict-rs, the software package that Lemmy hosts run to permit image uploads, does this. Unfortunately, it means that those "this is an AI-generated image" tags get stripped off.

So, for example, on my system, with ComfyUI, using ImageMagick:

$ identify -verbose output/ComfyUI_00312_.png 

"Properties:prompt" has a JSON encoding of the workflow.

Sample images generated by various AI image generators are readily-available on civitai.com.

For this generator that generated this image on civitai, it looks like the parameter is "Properties:parameters".

I believe that there are a small number of such tags today.

It would be technically possible to just not have pict-rs strip that particular tag (or tags, if there are multiple that a given generator adds?) off, have a list of "AI-generated tags", then have Lemmy add some visual indicator that an image is AI-generated. I'd suggest that this is probably a better longer-term route to indicate that an image is AI-generated than manually-tagging post titles, for a couple of reasons:

  • Spiders that index images on the Web will know that the image is AI-generated and can flag that for users and let them use that as a filtering criteria (e.g. Kagi Images permits for this). They aren't going to understand tags in post titles, but the metadata tags are somewhat universal.

  • Doesn't require manual effort if an image can have some indicator or flair or whatever put on it automatically. And I guarantee that some users are going to get this wrong just by accident, because different instances have different rules. Easier to change how a computer works than to change human behavior across-the-board.

  • Works on all instances.

  • The information remains attached to the image even if downloaded.

  • Works for images that aren't just the subject of single-image posts and don't have an associated title.

  • Speaking purely for myself, I kind of like the open-source, collaborative aspect of sharing the workflows or prompts, since it helps other users see how an image was created and learn from it; it's something that I'm glad to see the generators include, and I'm kind of sad that we strip it off on the Threadiverse.

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 5 points 1 day ago

exif is stripped when uploading to lemmy, I believe

[-] AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I really appreciate this comment because I didn't know about EXIF metadata for AI-generated images and I think you raise interesting points about long term management of our informational ecosystems

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

People should do this for stuff they generated with llms too. Realistically English needs evidentials, like tenses that explain the source.

Much unintentional disinformation would be cleared up if people stated the source. E.g. "I remember learning..." "Someone I trust told me..." "I heard an expert say..." "a statistical text generator emitted..." "a random internet comment said..."

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

You remember where you learned things? That's remembering like, twice as much stuff! I'm pretty sure my brain is just making up plausible memories to fill in the gaps.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago

Wait till you get to be super old like me. The shit my brain makes up aren't even plausible memories!

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

The things I consider myself informed enough to answer questions on.

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 58 points 2 days ago

That's good I agree with this

[-] leMe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Great! proper tagging and content description helps everyone 👏

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 days ago

Good, AI art fucking sucks.

Can I ask what compelled you to join db0 after reading the sidebar? Honestly curious. If I hated AI that much, after seeing the tagline, I would have noped out.

[-] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

As someone who feels similarly about AI art, but joined db0 anyway: I like the other things they got going on and I'm not stupid enough to whine and complain about the one thing I don't like. (I guess, technically this is doing some of that but shut up xD)

It's like if I went to a bar that has a bunch of games in it, and one is a bunch of pool tables or something and I really hate pool, I'm not gonna throw a fuss demanding they remove it? Some people like it even if I think it's not that cool.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

I don't think it was a prominent feature when I joined, AI imagery in general wasn't quite as popular or sophisticated at the time. And even if I disagree with that point, it's not a deal breaker and db0 is still far better than many other instances.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

FYI: The "Generate Art" part of the sidebar tagline was there since day 1

[-] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

Can't be art with no artist, just 'generated illustration'

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[-] whalebiologist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 days ago

I like gen ai and I think this rule is a nice gesture towards the other side. It's a good practice to cite your sources when you're online anyhow.

[-] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

This is a hopefully a happy middle group that stops these stupid fights and makes people focus on bigger things.

[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think this is a good addition. We shouldn't alienate other like-minded people because of slight disagreements in my mind "minor shit" like this, and this seems like the least that can be done.

Also, I believe this post should be tagged with [GenAi] because of the attached image? 😅

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 days ago

Well, the tag is very much in the title yes ;)

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