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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Dafuq is a character.ai and why is it in the same list as google and cloudflare? Like yea my local grocery store had some issues should that be on the list too?

[-] skrlet13@feddit.cl 1 points 2 months ago

An AI chatbot that pretends to be a character and you roleplay with it.

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[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Well that was fun!

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Uh huh, just before a major democracy attacked an evil, evil country. Must be coincidence.

[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Everything is a conspiracy when you don't know how anything works

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[-] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 months ago

c/selfhosted having a field day rn

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, wonder how those cloudflare(d) tunnels werd keeping up.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 2 months ago

We need to break up Cloudflare.

[-] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

It sucks because up until the "sales team" rugpull, they're the cheapest (and closest to reality) for bandwidth cost, virtually all the other CDN providers charge astronomical prices and their margins are hundreds to thousands of percentage.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 2 months ago

If the costs are mostly variable in how much they serve up, and uptime is sufficiently important, maybe have two CDNs and use the other one as a fallback when things start going tits-up?

[-] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Cloudflare tries to enforce pretty strong vendor lock in by requiring you use their nameservers.

Also subdelegate domains are an "enterprise" feature, so no luck there.

Basically the CDN market sucks, not a shocker Netflix, Google, Valve, and many others operate their own.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hmm.

I'm not familiar with the constraint.

I assume that the way that this works is that I host content at www.foo.com and they have their nameserver resolve www.foo.com to different IPs based on the geolocation of the browsing user's IP.

Is it possible to convert www.foo.com to a CNAME that can be redirected away from their nameservers? Like, I make www.foo.com be a CNAME directed at www.foo-cloudflare-cdn.com. They own www.foo-cloudflare-cdn.com, they serve A or AAA queries there on their nameservers. But if I want fallback, I update the CNAME to point at www.foo-backup-cdn.com, which is served by a different CDN.

Are there technical barriers to that, do you know?

[-] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The way CDNs and virtual hosts work in general is to read the host field in the HTTP header, otherwise unless you dedicate an IP for each domain / "web site" there would be no way to know what to serve.

The issue is if you put the CNAME of foo www.foo-cloudflare-cdn.com. then it will just resolve to whatever the A/AAAA record is for that, and send the host of www.foo.com – which they will only service if that domain is hosted with their nameservers (they run automated checks to make sure you're actually doing so). So there isn't really an easy way to just give cloudflare some subdomain, unless you pay them $$,$$$+ for the privilege.

Valve actually does that, ironically enough, for the steam community web assets they use Fastly, Akamai, and CloudFront, all on subdomains of course 🙃.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

The way CDNs and virtual hosts work in general is to read the host field in the HTTP header, otherwise unless you dedicate an IP for each domain / “web site” there would be no way to know what to serve.

But the point of CDNs is to direct connections to a geographically-near IP, yes?

The domain name that any CDN webserver in different regions will get in the HTTP request headers is going to be the same, CNAME or no.

The issue is if you put the CNAME of foo www.foo-cloudflare-cdn.com. then it will just resolve to whatever the A/AAAA record is for that, and send the host of www.foo.com – which they will only service if that domain is hosted with their nameservers (they run automated checks to make sure you’re actually doing so).

Ah, okay, I could see someone having automated checks that actively prevent it.

[-] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

But the point of CDNs is to direct connections to a geographically-near IP, yes?

That's generally right enough, the goal of a CDN is to deliver content from a server close to the consumer as possible (ideally on their ISP network using cache servers to avoid going out over the "wider internet".) – however CDN networks typically also use Anycast IP addresses, which means that all of the CDN servers across their network use the same pool of IP addresses, and BGP / the routing table dictate what actual physical server you get routed to. This is typically the ideal closest server, however sometimes you want certain IP pools in certain regions for legal (China), or technical reasons, so the IP address returned by a given A/AAAA lookup for a CDN isn't a given. There's also ECN and other optimization CDNs can do on the lookup side but that's outside of the scope here.

The domain name that any CDN webserver in different regions will get in the HTTP request headers is going to be the same, CNAME or no.

Yeah, so the CNAME just says "whatever A/AAAA address that resolves to" and the HTTP client will send whatever HOST it thinks its connecting to, meaning you can't "mask" the actual domain you're using by using a CNAME record.

Technically if you have a totally static IP serving a single site, it's possible to ignore the HOST field and always serve that site, since logically, any request is only meant for that given site (this is basically the default site on something like Apache).

My main point is that there's really no getting around that CloudFlare requires you to be locked in to their platform even if you just wanna serve R2 files from a subdomain, and I personally find that a bit spooky, migrating nameservers can have very long propagation times leaving your site unreachable if they decide they don't want you as a customer anymore, or as a shakedown.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh no, not Cloudflare!

Oh right I use NextDNS, so anyway...

Oh, its also Google, Twitch, Discord and Etsy... and some AI girlfriend generator... and Spotify?

... People still use those? Aren't they worried about all the security and privacy concerns, the exploitative business models?

No?

Huh. Well, dang, sucks for those users I guess.

Ahem, annnyyyywaaaayyyy...

...

Ok, serious mode / tinfoil hat:

... Did maybe someone in the Trump admin just try to do a US internet blackout, given all the insane shit happening, and pulled a few wrong cords out?

...

Either way... and I cannot believe I am citing Ready Player One as a positive example of anything, but such is the nature of our collective degeneracy:

Tuesdays and Thursdays are now no internet days.

Go outside, touch grass, realize you're addicted to social media like a drug, and begin detoxing.

...

EDIT: Holy shit, Israel just struck Iran at multiple locations, presumably all or many related to their nuclear program... including Tehran.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/world/israel-iran-us-nuclear

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/13/israel-strike-iran-trump-nuclear-talks

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/live-blog/israel-strikes-iran-middle-east-conflict-live-updates-rcna212727

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-iran-strike-conflict

info blackout tinfoilhattery intensifies

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 2 months ago

Owhooo your virtual girl friend is offline!

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

No, she's just ghosting you.

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[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

realize you're addicted to social media like a drug

Lemmy included.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Speaking as someone who managed to quit smoking, but still uses a vape, who is focusing on doing daily PT after being maimed a while back...

A step in the right direction is a step in the right direction, and taking one step at a time is better than none.

Lemmy ain't corporate like Reddit, it ain't parasocial, only a very small number of users actually directly link their real identity to their psuedonym, and it doesn't have a worldclass datamining/profiling algo perfecting what content to feed to specifically you, to make you angry or insecure enough to keep you engaged.

Perfect?

No.

Leagues better than every alternative?

Far as I can tell, yes.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago
[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Holy shit, goddamn near everything is down, nearly everywhere.

Fucking Tracer Tong ending from Deus Ex, hope somebody has a save file they can reload from soon, otherwise... yeah...

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