I think there's a massive oversupply of software engineers world-wide, and investors and executives are heavily pushing offshoring to countries where there are even more engineers that are even more desperate to find work. The ideology or focus of the entire US investor/executive class seems to have shifted as soon as Musk gutted Twitter. I fear this may be another, "these jobs aren't coming back," kind of thing the manufacturing industry went through. Perhaps we'll see a boom of bootstrapped start-ups ran by engineers (or preferably worker-cooperatives), but that's extremely hard to do.
I've been hearing that line for more than 20 years. Anytime there is a tech downturn you hear it loudly - this has happened several times since 2000. However the fact remains that most coders make far more money than most people in construction. The exceptions tend to be people who own their construction business - though if you do the paperwork construction is one of the easiest businesses to work for yourself in once you have skills.
As soon as I graduated, 'too many people are fighting for IT jobs, depressing salaries, meanwhile we're paying plumbers $100/hour.'
That was 2001. Almost 25 years later, I recently paid a plumber $300/hour.
You paid the plumbing company $300/hour. The plumber would be lucky to make $30 of that.
The plumber wasn't making that much though. That $300/hr includes a lot of buisness costs - someone needs to pay for the fancy van they drive in, the office workers (which is often private equity backed and has a lot of office staff and CEO that you don't care about), advertising, and whatever other costs. Plus the plumber often only has 20 minutes of work in your house, but between jobs taking an unknown amount of time, and drive time to the next job they need to charge for a lot of time that they are not working.
I think a lot of colleges clowns are learning that too much supply means.
Everyone was mocking trades 20 years ago. It was hard to get in to with boomers being boomers.
But people my age who got into trades are doing quite well, ie they got their own businesses now.
I am still sucking corporate dick for no raises 🤡
Man people have been telling everyone about the shortage of people in trades since at least 25 years ago. Every year there is a news outlet saying 150k plumbers are needed, electricians and what not.
No one had mocked trades. People just follow what they think it's best for them
Yeah sorry that's my fault. I literally started to learn to code 2 months before all the articles started... Then all the YouTube videos were "no one will ever hire JR devs again!" and so I stopped. Since I've stopped it looks like the consensus has gone back to "learning to code is still a good idea."
I'll let other people enjoy a good life, so I won't try to learn it again and ruin it for everyone I'll stay in this shit factory lol
Get a construction job so you can continue to enjoy coding
Well my knee is injured for the past 3 weeks and counting so I don't think I'm going to be doing any manual labor any time soon, I think I'm going to keep at my work from home programming job instead.
Nah, it's just changed from
Learn to code
to
Learn to AI prompt engineer, bro!
From Learn to Code to Build to Code.
Definitely longer than 3 years but yeah. I saw the writing on the wall when I chose a major and realized they'd been pushing "learn to code!" For about 10 years at that point.
Not that deciding to study humanities was any better financially lol, but at least it didn't pigeonhole me with a hard-skills education
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