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Look, everyone! A rational response!
What? You were expecting thoughts and prayers?
Wait what? Rapid policy change in response to gun violence?
Good job ~~Australia~~ Austria!
Australia also had a pretty strong reaction when it happened there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
Austria lol. Mozart, not kangaroos.
Beethoven being born in Germany and Hitler being born in Austria was one of those trivia facts I learned as a 12 year old — or thereabouts; I forget how old I was — that made me question everything. I was obviously, by definition, uneducated at that age but I had just sort of lumped “classical music=Vienna” and “Hitler=Germany.”
It’s obviously an odd fact to blow a kid’s mind and there were many more such moments to come but, for some reason, that factoid was a very effective one on my journey to realizing I didn’t know shit. (A journey I’m still on, even on things I have a degree in or worked on. Nothing teaches you how much you don’t know like learning enough to realize you haven’t even scratched the surface.)
Technically speaking Beethoven was born in Austria. Austrian Netherlands that is (current day Belgium), owned by the Habsburgs.
Or even more generally, he was born in the Holy Roman Empire of Germanic Nations (today Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, parts of France, parts of Poland, Austria, Czechia, Germany) and died in the Austrian Empire.
Schwarzenegger, not Satan.
Eurodeedoos not Dollaridoos.
Bierpartei, not Raygun
America currently going: “la la la la la” while turning its back to the problem.
Wow kneejerk pseudo-science enshrined into law because one person out of 10,000,000 used a gun to kill someone. Do you think if he had used a car instead you'd see a similar response? why or why not?
i started to respond but there are so many things wrong with your inane hypothetical i quit a couple paragraphs in. just fucking light up some neurons
i started to respond but there are so many things wrong with your inane hypothetical i quit a couple paragraphs in. just fucking light up some neurons
Yikes. It took you multiple paragraphs before you understood how goddamn reactionary the Austrian response is. And while you understand it's wrong, you refuse to accept it. Liberal to the core. Please do not vote again for everyone's sake.
what
Ooh, ooh! Pick me! It’s because transportation is infinitely more societally useful than punching imprecise holes in things in one of the most dangerous ways accessible to most individuals! There are lots of reasons to ban or limit the use of cars in various public places, but those types of attacks are a reason to install and use bollards.
Agreed, so we should be building trains which are way faster, safer and environmentally friendly then cars if we actually care about saving lives.
Which is a completely irrelevant point here
Which is a completely irrelevant point here
So if the point isn't to save lives, what is the point?
The school shooting. Reading the article will help answer these types of questions. I’ll mute you for a while to give you time.
You're totally right, and this is supported the data! The USA has the least restrictive gun laws of any major developed country but has similar rates of gun violence as all other developed...oh wait, never mind, the USA has by far the highest gun violence rates of any major developed nation.
Our per capita rate of gun violence is comparable to countries like Somalia, Iraq, and Haiti.
And also, car deaths is a huge issue too, and we should restrict car ownership and encourage mass transit and related infrastructure. Making more of our cities pedestrian-only locations protected by bollards, would also make people even safer from both accidental and intentional car deaths.
It's also way better for the environment and thus, people's long term health, leading to even higher life spans and better happiness.
And get safer cars. The US has some kind of car arms race going on where you need a super large heavy car to be safe because the roads are full of big heavy cars... Resulting in much more deadly crashes for everyone. Besides most states driving test is a joke.
Cars are much safer than they used to be.
Over the shoulder seat belts, ABS, airbags, crumple zones, stability control, etc all help prevent accidents and he'll you walk away from any that still happen.
They are safe for car passengers, and a nightmare for everyone else on the street. High hoods with bad sight for drivers and awful impact profile for pedestrians, heavy cars which make low speed collisions much more deadly for everyone not protected by 3 tons of steel. Safety should be for everyone, not only car passengers.
Probably the most goddamn idiotic take I've fucking seen. And what makes this even funnier is your smug attitude.
Honestly just seems like a run-of-the-mill US red state take. "Muh gunz" is where it stops for them, fuck kids dying, we need more guns. If everyone carried an assault rifle the world would be at peace because there would be a good guy with a gun stopping the bad guy with a gun or something like that. They call it culture as far as I understand.
Fortunately you (unless you are Austrian) have no voice in the matter.
Cars are tools for transportation that, unfortunately, sometimes result in death.
Firearms (specifically handguns and AR-type long guns) are machines specifically designed to kill humans. That's it.
If you can't understand the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
I'll toss this on the mountain of proactive things other countries are doing that the U.S. isn't.
The main issue I have with laws like these is... once the person who "needed to cool off" has the gun all they need is to get hot-headed again and this time there isn't a cool-off period for them to access it.
The psychology "test" is all fine and good, but a test doesn't tell you what an actual licensed psychologist can. Way too easy for someone to just lie on a test if they know what the "right" answers are. A lot more difficult to hide dangerous personality traits in front of another human being. Step it up one more notch to requiring a psychological evaluation.
The "Test" will probably be in line with a psych eval like we already have for our military, which will be enough for cases like this, because he was unfit to serve.
he was still able to get a gun licence, because in austria you are only blocked from getting a gun licence (for 15 years IIRC) if you refuse to serve in the military on ethical grounds and do civil service instead, and the data from the military evaluation is kept secret because of privacy laws.
Would any psychologist risk their entire career and criminal liability to grant anyone a pass to obtain a firearms license? For what is ultimately a hobby?
I think an evaluation is just unreasonable considering how overworked mental health professionals are. I would genuinely hate it if someone who wants to get better and work out some issues can't because there is better money in talking to the gun nuts.
Nah. I am a firm believer in chains of liability. Kid shoots up a school? Whose gun was that? Dad? Dad is now liable for a pretty major charge. Oh? He didn't keep it locked up in a safe? Who sold Dad that gun? Herman? He better have ALL his paperwork in order and he better have followed every single required step to make sure Dad knows how to store a gun properly and has a gun safe and so forth. He didn't? What distributor did he buy that gun from? And so forth.
Obviously US biased, but we put more effort into making sure someone buying a car has insurance than we do making sure someone buying a gun even understands why keeping "one in the chamber" is one of the dumbest things you can do.
So pass that on. Because if that guy who wants a people killer gives bad vibes? That isn't just your license mister gun store man, that is potentially your freedom if he goes after the woman who turned him down for coffee. And if you are a gun company and you sell to sketchy stores that "lose shipments" all the time? You might not be a company the first time a serial number is run. Suddenly EVERYONE starts caring about actually doing due diligence.
And obviously that model is incredibly prone to racism and bias. But that also matters a lot less if the guy who will sell a gun to any white man with a swastika on his neck goes to prison after the first murder.
Oh, Austria!!
I always confuse Austria with Baluchistan!
Not going to prevent a thing, all for show.
I live in a country with rather restrictive gun laws. That stuff works great! I never have to worry about getting shot.
I don't worry about getting shot, stabbed, or bludgeoned. Avoid gang activity and gun free zones you'll be statistically in the clear. Been around firearms my whole life, if you can't trust the people around you with a firearm maybe they don't need to be walking free.
Ah yes, Afearican's never worry, famously.
For real, avoiding those areas they mentioned only does two things
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Shows that they fear getting shot or stabbed in those areas, which is directly counter to their attestation.
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Indicates they're probably super racist, because how do you tell what is or isn't a "gang area"?
Kids here are afraid to go to school (for good reason), and people like this refuse to consider ANY worthwhile fixes.
The data is entirely clear, gun regulations reduce gun violence. Full stop.
Kids here are afraid to go to school (for good reason),
Why? Who is abusing their kids by trying to convince them that they should be afraid of school?
They're afraid because people keep going to them and shooting kids indiscriminately. They have to do active shooter drills because it's such a common occurrence. They don't need convincing, it's obvious
Yikes. Normalizing exotic scenarios. My daughter is afraid of thunder, a much more logical and reasonable fear. Any kid that is afraid of going to school because maybe someone will be on the news is a victim of abuse. If you can't trust your fellow man, you can't be trusted to participate in society.
"serious psychology test"
Until someone from a different political party comes in and turns it into a "political party loyalty test"
Soooo, we then just go back to handing guns to anyone?
Sorry, but with that attitude we can't improve anything. How about we just keep it a psychology test?
Do you think that the average person is a killer but the only thing that stops them are the tools they have available?
That would take a majority vote, not only a single party change. Our system here in austria isn't perfect (like most of the world), but it is not the broken mess the US have.
Regardless, i'd say the move to stronger regulation is welcome here. The shooter had his guns legally, even tho he was deemed unfit for military service, which screams "regulatory hole to fix ASAP"
looks like there is broad support for making sure that whoever wants a gun to be stable enough to handle them without shooting up a school.
Cars are much safer than they used to be, so why get trucks and SUV instead as these are exempt from a number of car safety requirements (like crumple zones) in the US. They have a likelihood of causing fatal unjuries when they collide with other cars and pedestrians that is 8 times higher than the average sedan, according to a UK study. Due to their size, weight and bad visibility for obstacles close by, they are also much more likely to crash into stuff.
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