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[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 80 points 10 months ago

It's not even the same level of propaganda. This time even US intelligence agencies are saying there are no WMD and that Iran was still years away from being able to have one. On the other hand Netanyahu has spent literal decades saying Iran is going to have nukes by next week.

[-] Willy@sh.itjust.works 33 points 10 months ago

There wasn’t much of a consensus for Iraqi wmds either.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 18 points 10 months ago

And it was never supposed to be nukes right? It was like chemical weapons or something.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

Bush Jr did at one point say something like "... the smoking gun, which could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

Think it was a SOTU. 02?

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago

that was a back-peddle made by the Murdoch machine nearly a decade later, where they tried to claim some old expired chemical weapons (that the United States gave to Saddam in like the 'eighties) were in fact the fabled WMDs.

[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago

Said they bought yellow cake uranium I think.

Chappelle Show taught me that

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago

I'm just saying that even organizations that were lying about Iraqi WMD are not doing it now.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The CIA knew it was bullshit but Cheney wanted there to be WMDs so chose to believe bullshit artists instead, if John Kiriakou is to be believed. One of the only times in history where CIA might have been the good guys.

[-] cook_pass_babtridge@feddit.uk 1 points 10 months ago

Also, Bush and Blair at least tried to go through the UN, before they just ignored it and did it anyway. This time it's just "oh I guess we're at war now".

[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -31 points 10 months ago

I mean, do you want to wait until they actually do have them? I'm not familiar with what Netanyahu has said, but years away seems like a good time to disrupt their program.

[-] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 10 months ago

Do you always advocate preemptive punishment for crimes that have not actually been committed ("yet")?

And frankly, I didn't trust any of the nuclear powers, especially not the US. Fuck sake we have an orange dementia patient in charge!

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago

I mean hey, your username is on point for your opinion here but uh, no.

No, Netanyahu in particular has been stating Iran will have a nuke in months since about 1995.

Go check the Daily Show's (or maybe its Jon Stewart's?) YT channel for a quick montage recap of Bibi literally claiming this ssme thing for 30 fucking years.

It is 30 years later, and even the official consensus of the US's own intelligence communities is that Iran does not have a nuke, cannot achieve enrichment beyond about 60%.

And that only even happened because Trump trashed Obama's deal with Iran to keep enrichment to only low grade, nuclear power plant levels... which was working, and they were adhering to, and letting the IAEA in to verify.

Meanwhile they are being bombarded by a hostile nation state that has had nuclear weapons since roughly 1970, that constantly does everything it can to lie about that, to prevent IAEA inspectors from being assigned to them.

That nation state is Israel, if that wasn't clear.

So... Iran was previously cooperative and diplomatic.

Then Trump was a backstabbing, bellicose buffoon, and Iran... didn't even revert to MAD, they reverted to roughly 2 steps below MAD, as you'd have to run the 60% enriched uranium through an entire other industrial process to get it to weapons grade, which no one believes they can currently do, and then make that into actual bombs, which is a whole other thing entirely.

The Iranians have already shown themselves to be quite capable of rational negotiations about nukes, and adhere to agreements.

It is Israel and the US who have been irrational, agressive and underhanded, who have gone back on their word, and forced Iran into an impossible situation from their POV.

We could just maybe not act like insane warmongers, and Iran would likely go back to the negotiating table... us assuring them we will stop assasinating their negotiators might be a good first step.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago

You seem knowledgeable. Is tritium still necessary for nukes, and, if so, does Iran have access to that?

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

So first, I am not a nuclear physicist, just a bored autist with nothing better to do while doing PT full time to recover from a series of injuries.

That being said:

Tritium and Deuterium are normally what you'd need for a fission-fusion bomb, or... trying to develop a fusion reactor like a tokamak or what not.

Tritium and Deuterium are mechanically, industrially, produced in yet again another different kind of process that is not the same as the different stages of uranium enrichment.

As of right now, the only sources I can find claiming Iran is developing a tritium production capacity... all trace back to here:

https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/nuclear/ncri-reveals-secret-rainbow-tritium-facility-for-nuclear-missile-warheads/

But this is.directly conflicted with Tulsi Gabbard, Trump's Director of National Intelligence (basically her job is to oversee all of the US's various intelligence agencies, hybridize what they are saying into a cohesive big picture)

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/06/trump-gabbard-comments-on-iran-nuclear-capability/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/americas-spies-say-iran-wasnt-building-a-nuclear-weapon-trump-dismisses-that-assessment

She mentions nothing about tritium.

... Tritium alone will not make a nuclear fusion /hydrogen bomb.

You have to start the fusion reaction with a fission reaction, made out of >90% enriched urananium.

While it is true that Iran has a lot of 60% enriched uranium... even if they did have tritium... they would still have to further enrich the uranium, and actually build and test an actual nuclear bomb/warhead.

Making a bomb actually work properly is an entirely other, pretty darn difficult thing to pull off, which is why the precise details of that is basically the most classified info on Earth.

Currently, as best I can tell, US intelligence agencies as represented by Gabbard have essentially dismissed this NCRI report as flawed or invalid in some way... which is why Trump just said that he doesn't care, because he has seen this story that originates from NCRI bouncing all over the right wing American media sphere.

Trump, rather infamously, doesn't (or potentially can't) read briefings or documents that are more than about a page long.

His first admin. was marked by many staffers figuring out stupid ways to overly summarize things, or make any documents he'd need to read be openly praising him, for him to actually read anything... and in this second admin it seems even worse, all he does is watch TV news, and he will claim it is more true than literally the reports from the most expensive intelligence network on the planet....

... so. yeah. we have insane conspiracy theory rapist racist felonious dementia grandpa for President, and he just believes whatever he wants to, and then his maggat cult followers do the same.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks, great analysis. Fuck that piece of shit and fuck the people who own him with a whale's dork.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 10 months ago

to disrupt their program.

Why? There is no evidence at all that they're trying to build a nuclear bomb, yet you're taking the side of these guys.

[-] arrow74@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't think my nation has the right to control what other nations do through military force.

We do it, but I don't think we should

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

actually have them.

100% unironically: yes. I’ll tell you why. The US already has them and has used them on civilians twice already.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 42 points 10 months ago

America is a threat to world peace

[-] LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 3 points 10 months ago

Sad but true

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Has been for the last 80 years.

[-] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

When a large part of your origin story is being the number one weapons dealer in WW2 with geography conveniently placing you out of range for major infrastructure loss... We really can't be suprised.

[-] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 10 months ago

They want people uneducated for a reason.

[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 24 points 10 months ago

It wasn't okay the first time around either. Anyone credulous enough to believe that obvious bullshit shouldn't have been allowed to form legal contracts for their own safety.

[-] F1gm3nt3d@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

It's a lot of the same people who voted Trump in, so that shit tracks.

[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 7 points 10 months ago

I was a young teen when it happened and it just seemed ridiculous that anyone would be naïve enough to fall for the extremely obvious lies.

[-] F1gm3nt3d@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I'm probably? a couple decades older than you, it's always been this way. My entire life has been Americans convincing other Americans to fuck their own country and futures for culture war bullshit, petty vengeances, and unmitigated greed on the promise that they'll get theirs too only to be left empty handed and worse off than before. Then they vote the same way again while complaining that all the problems are the same. The joke about the definition of insanity applies.

[-] jonesey71@lemmus.org 10 points 10 months ago

The trick is they all want war, so the PRETEND to fall for it. It is like Susan Collins in Maine who keeps pretending to believe Trump learned his lesson but she knows what he is. No one can be as stupid as she pretends to be and still operate a fork and spoon.

[-] themaninblack@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

It wasn’t cool the first fucking time. It was totally obvious.

[-] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 4 points 10 months ago

Only Bernie sanders resisted before.

Who will resist this time

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

military propaganda is hella va drug: top gun maverick, various videos business insider had been posting it on yt on many of the jobs, and plus a bunch of shows.

[-] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

But they have cake! And it’s yellow…

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