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After more than 32,000 speeding tickets were handed out in just three weeks by new automated speed enforcement cameras in community safety zones, council in the City of Vaughan decided to pause the program.

Mayor Steven Del Duca put forward the motion last week to pause the tickets until September, when council is due to receive a report from staff on ways the city can create more effective signage about the presence of cameras.

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[-] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 days ago

Design the roads so that they are unpleasant to use above the speed you are trying to achieve. This method has had great success in the Netherlands.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

But then we can't just cut and paste the same lane design regardless if it is a school zone or a freeway.

[-] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Last year, I think it was on the War on Cars podcast, their guest was a disillusioned traffic engineer that called his entire field "a fraud discipline." Like they put absolutely no critical thought into their designs as long as they are built to the exacting code.

Edit: Found it, it was an episode from a few years ago.

I was getting it mixed up with this other episode.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Love that podcast and I remeber them comparing the mentality they use for roads and how delusional it would be for just about any other engineering field to follow that mentality.

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[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Nah, I'm advocating for people using the currently designed system to not be a bunch of slow and distracted morons.

The topic of completely gutting current city Laputa and restructuring them to be designed for pedestrian traffic at the forefront would be ideal, but was not the topic being discussed.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 2 days ago

Over the summer months, when the cameras snap a pic of a speeder they will receive a warning in the mail rather than a fine. The city says it hopes the strategy will reduce driving speeds through awareness rather than punitive measures.

This is an intelligent and measured move. Make citizens aware that enforcement exists. Then, after making them aware that they're being monitored, turn on fines. The goal is to reduce speeding drivers, not to collect revenue.

[-] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

The goal is to reduce speeding drivers, not to collect revenue.

Then there's cities like Winnipeg where successive city halls have decided that speeding tickets are the bestest cash cow ever!

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

That cash should go directly into the city to redesign these problems roadways created for cars into streets designed for people.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

It should be 1 warning then you get tickets. Right now speeders can keep getting as many warnings as they want and wait to hear on the news when the fines will be implemented.

[-] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Most people I know get several 11-15km over tickets all at once a month after the infraction. They've already noticed or been told about the machine by the time they get the first ticket, and adjusted their driving.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago

That's a better approach. Cheers.

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[-] Zenith@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sounds like they were working as intended. In France they have speed cameras on the highway that average your speed over a distance and mail speeders tickets too, should be everywhere. Silly to stop such a wildly successful public safety campaign, if anything it’s clear this is a real problem and the program should be expanded. Why is signage needed? Follow the rules and don’t get a ticket is already a very well publicized concept, don’t speed and the cameras aren’t a problem

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 77 points 3 days ago

The real reason is the local politicians and their families started getting tickets too, and they're not happy. So the program has been put on pause.

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 days ago

Ding Ding Ding.

If they had given council members a device to shut off the cameras for themselves and rich donors then they wouldn't have shut it down.

Maybe they should consider changing the speed limits a bit.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Maybe they should consider changing the speed limits a bit.

Or, hear me out, people could make the needle on their dash point at the same number as the one printed on the giant white signs all over.

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

The solution is better road-way design and classifications.

Changing a speed limit sign on a roadway does not change the roadways "designed" or "perceived" speed limit.

When changing signage, the roadway also need to change.

Example, you can't increase the signed speed limit to 100 kph on a residential street without first a complete redesign of said street into a hwy. This is done by removing driveways, speedbumps, crosswalks, stop signs, and roundabouts. Without this redesign of the roadway this residential street would not make a really good hwy. The exact reverse is true. A hwy does not make a good residential street.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago

council is due to receive a report from staff on ways the city can create more effective signage about the presence of cameras.

Are you fucking kidding me?

It's like pointing out to thieves where all the cameras in a bank are.

The speed limit sign is the only information drivers need. If they are going faster, it's a ticket.

These automated speed cameras seem to be working exactly as intended. The 32,000 speeders can go fuck right off.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

The idea of speed cameras is to get drivers to slow down. To have 30k tickets after their install shows that they're not doing the job of getting people to slow down.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Its only been 3 weeks and we don't have much data on how many of them were repeat offenders. We need to give more time for peoples driving habits to adapt to the consequences.

The cameras are much cheaper than cops are for the same level of enforcement and the revenue can be used to further invest in roadway safety like lane narrowing and traffic calming.

The truth is, the speeding issue has been many years in the making as enforcement hasn't been able to keep up with the number of drivers and 15-20 over became normalized. We aren't going to reverse that trend in just 3 weeks.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I don't get cameras except as a way to get fines money. If you wanted to actually slow traffic, you'd spend that infrastructure money on calming measures that work immediately and constantly. Cameras take effect weeks after the offence (in a small number of people) and only serves to make people watch for cameras instead of the traffic around them. Cameras have a very small area of effect and only for people that see them or know where they are.

If the point is just to punish speeders, make money, and not fix the problem, then by all means, install a few cameras.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The cost of a couple of cameras is significantly less investment and significantly less disruption than the needed infrastructure changes. We are talking 10s of thousands to operate the cameras versus millions to rehabilitate just 1 road. We need to fight for roads to be upgraded to safer standards when they are due for repaving.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

I mean I think its fine if people "know" the places they have to slow down for the cameras, if those places pose a greater risk of damage/injury from speeding than others.

Sometimes I see police cruisers on the side of the road flashing their lights on which seems like a similar principle: they aren't trying to catch anyone but they are trying to slow them down through the area and it's effective.

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[-] nbailey@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

It’s a Skill issue, just don’t speed, it’s literally so easy. If you can’t control your speed just take the bus or a taxi!!

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

It is also a infrastructure issue. When the lane of a 40km road is built exactly as a freeway lane and drivers have been allowed to creep the average speed to 15-20 over the limit, it can literally feel like you're the one doing wrong when doing the limit as most other cars fly past you.

The psychological effects of lane size, other vehicle speeds, and overall roadway design needs to be considered if we actually want to make our streets safer.

[-] healthetank@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

and drivers have been allowed to creep the average speed to 15-20 over the limit, it can literally feel like you’re the one doing wrong when doing the limit as most other cars fly past you.

I agree. Other vehicles speed is a major factor in your comfort and safety when driving. Which is why this ticketing is soooo effective. Thousands of tickets, with 24/7 coverage, applied without needing a cop standing there and literally ticketing each one individually?

I'd lay good money that those areas will see a drastic speed reduction within the next month or two, once drivers receive their fines.

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