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Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' (www.reuters.com)
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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 105 points 3 weeks ago

Trump wants the expanded powers of POTUS that comes with being a wartime president, as well as a wartime budget, but he needs Congress to declare war…so what does he do?

He pulls out of an agreement that restricted Iran from enriching uranium, then threatens to attack them for enriching uranium. Unexpectedly, Iran takes the high road and goes to the UN over the threats. Since Iran won’t attack, Trump gets Israel to attack Iran. Now, Trump is allowed to attack Iran under the false pretense of protecting an ally, which circumvents congressional approval. He posts a message claiming peace, knowing full well that Iran will retaliate, and Congress will subsequently declare war.

Trump gets everything he wants- expanded powers, and a big budget to hide his reckless overspending, while calling it the defense of an allied nation.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

Congress "declaring war" is a relic of the past. Every conflict since WWII has been unilaterally decided by the executive.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

He needs them to declare war to give him the fat budget and more executive power. I’m sure the Republican-controlled majority won’t have a problem with it. They’ve been foaming at the mouth for a hot war with Iran since the 80s.

[-] thagoat@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck. This. Man. Impeach him. Jail him. Deport him. I don't care just fucking get him out of politics.

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 weeks ago

Iran says that they will not stop with their efforts. Trump just said that if it doesn’t stop, he will continue with his campaign. Unless one side relents, this will lead to war. Or, as the media will put it “precision strikes against a foreign adversary” Fuck the USA, may it reap what it sows.

[-] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

We're already at war.

[-] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 21 points 3 weeks ago

Remove Trump now!

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

errrr, well let us see, I am skeptical these strikes were decisive, they might just make the US look worse

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago

What gives you the impression Trump cares about how the US looks to the international community?

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

Nothing, but I do think he has to respond to it.

[-] Clasm@ttrpg.network 2 points 3 weeks ago

Wouldn't be the first time, if true.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

So iran is no longer a threat and we can drop sanctions now?

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

A real "who must go" situation.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

I hope the bunker-buster bombs worked. Whether the costs of war are worth paying in order to destroy Iran's nuclear program is debatable, but they're definitely paid in vain if the program survives.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. If they didn't manage to really destroy the material base of the program, Iran wil get nukes and the world's opinion could also shift in Iran's favour. Especially if they now act with restraint and hit all the legal avenues to say how they got harmed without justification.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 3 points 3 weeks ago

My major concern is that faced with defeat either way, they use dirty bombs to irradiate the population centers of israel. We’d have 9 million refugees and a huge environmental catastrophe.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

Is that on the cards? I guess they could load whatever material they have onto missiles and shoot. Even if they're intercepted, the fallout would still occur. But I thought their nuclear option is actually destroying Saudi oil facilities. That would plunge the world into another inflationary cycle and accompanying economic instability, likely political instability too. Wouldn't get rid of the Israeli threat though. I guess irradiating Israel would achieve that.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't think that Iran is going to get much useful sympathy from any country not already on its side (and of those, Russia has other priorities). Iran's ambitions have put it at odds with both Western countries and the Arab world and international law (even if it is on Iran's side - I don't know) is never going to lead countries to act against the dictates of realpolitik.

I also don't think that failing to destroy these facilities necessarily makes a nuclear-armed Iran inevitable, given that Israel and the USA apparently have total air dominance. The infrastructure needed to deploy nuclear ICBMs can't all be kept deep underground and Iran's dependence on oil exports makes its economy particularly vulnerable to strategic bombing. I just don't trust Trump to see things through if his initial attempts fail - he's too impulsive. (And I'm not sure the moral calculus remains the same either - it's one thing to blow up a few underground weapons labs and quite another to engage in a strategic bombing campaign against the entire country.)

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

If anything, Israel and the US have clearly showed Iran that they will never be safe unless they develop military capabilities strong enough to deter attacks.

Like... what kind of message do you think you're sending when you attack a country trying to develop nukes because they see you as an existential threat? Iran has been shown that the only way they will ever be safe from Israel is by developing nukes such that Israel doesn't dare attack them.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The intent is presumably to force Iran to accept that it cannot be safe, and that the best it can do is to appease its enemies. That is, as a matter of fact, currently true if the USA decides to see things through. It's a situation that many countries have been forced to accept over the course of history (and one that Iran has been eager to impose on is neighbors).

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Looking at the photos, there's barely any difference. If the bombs can go deep enough to damage the facility, shouldn't we see exposed sections?

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