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[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

[-] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Especially when you see some of the tech being rocked in Asian cities

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Which kind of blows my mind. Coal miners should love EVs. There was a story in the news a few years ago about how nice it was for the miners to help someone in an EV, as if they should be mortal enemies.

Non-EV cars don't run on coal, they run on gasoline. EVs on the other hand can run on coal, natural gas, solar, wind, you name it - and still are more energy efficient than cars burning gasoline. In a sane world, coal miners would be throwing their support behind electric vehicles. The utility companies seem to understand this, but seems like the support hasn't made its way up the supply chain.

[-] Litics@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 week ago

Of course US trucks run on coal. I see them rolling coal all the time! They cant roll coal if it wasnt coal. Duh...

[-] balder1991@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

But… but… those good ol’ days felt so good! We need to relive those days!

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

Again. They already enshrined "billionaires get all the money" in the one legislative victory of trumps first term.

[-] neshura@bookwyr.me 3 points 1 week ago

They already enshrined "billionaires get all the money" in 2008 when the banks got the bailouts instead of the people

[-] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

The problem is systemic, it didn’t start with Trump. He’s just way more flagrant.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

And in the US we just block foreign options because it is gov policy to artificially support specific corporations.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I think that's the invisible hand of the market. The visible part is the products you don't get to have.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Good, continue with the downward spiral.

I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,

but nowadays i don't care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.

The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.

Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

He's basically gutting NASA so it can be reduced to a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy for greedy billionaires and giant corps. They're killing everyone's dreams and inspiration.

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago

This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.

What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".

While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.

I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...

[-] weew@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

These cars are passing EU safety tests which are generally more demanding than the USA.

They are definitely getting good, fast.

[-] immutable@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Not just people, the economy will end up paying the price.

Tariffs have horrible second order effects.

Every companies outputs is some other companies inputs.

American companies end up locked out of more affordable vehicles as inputs. That cost then gets baked into its output, which is some other company’s input. Then just keep following that chain.

The best broad blanket tariffs can hope to do is trade long term competitiveness for some short term price increase.

Americans will wonder why other nations eat our lunch in the coming decades. Well that foreign company could buy the cheaper machine to produce the widget, their raw materials cost less to deliver because the transit company that ships it in charges a better rate because they have lower vehicle overhead. Since they have 2 dozen suppliers for their components both foreign and domestic they are forced to compete on quality and price.

American companies will become even more bloated and inefficient

[-] arunshah240@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

What a downfall Tesla

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

as customers switch to Chinese EVs

Sure. That's the reason.

[-] killabeezio@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

I don't think that's what they meant. I think they are just saying that people are still buying EVs, but they are just going to Chinese and other manufacturers instead of buying a Tesla. The article specifically calls out the stupid shit Elon has been doing.

[-] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 7 points 1 week ago

Not even sure it's that true though. Afaik BYD is only the 14th most popular car in Denmark, and European brands have risen from around ~28% last year to ~40% this year. Sure, Chinese carmakers have had some growth - but we're talking in the order of something between 2 - 4% of the market. Might be more popular in other countrues

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Which is important because about a year ago the headlines were saying EV sales were collapsing. In fact, it was just Tesla having less market share of new EVs sold because other manufacturers got off their ass.

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it's their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

So like Apple but more expensive

[-] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago
[-] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 2 points 1 week ago

Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions

[-] Pirate@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn't ran by a dictator.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 12 points 1 week ago

I uh.. you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat

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[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I own BYD and it is a great car. Very pleased with it.

[-] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 1 points 1 week ago

Heard it can be hard / expensive if you need to order spare parts and stuff like that. Anything to that?

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[-] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Hitler was "incendiary" and "political" but I think there's a four-letter word so much better, so much more concise, that this wording is actual disinformation.

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