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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

NATO is a defensive alliance so the only thing a US veto would do is prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. But that wouldn't happen until the war is over, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen until Russia's economy collapses. At that point Russia won't be a threat for awhile so kick the US out, add Ukraine as a member since Ukraine would be a stronger ally than the US anyway.

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[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Hol up. Didn't NATO guy wank all over daddy's boobs already?

[-] Agosagror@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

I thought that was more of a language barrier thing tbh, poor guy probably would have used father or dad if he knew the connatations.

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[-] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I feel like all those Leaders that met at the Hague last week should sit down and watch Rollins Band "Liar" music video.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

[-] brad_troika@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

This is literally the behavior of a traitor

Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

[-] P1k1e@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 4 points 1 month ago

From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

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[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Great!! Fuck right off USA!!! Without you idiotic dipshits in NATO the rest of the aligned countries don’t have to listen to your moronic whining to spend $ on US defense weaponry/planes etc. You won’t be missed and piss off. From Canada’s POV we’re really looking forward to spending billions on Saab Gripens - so we can protect ourselves from you.

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[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is cheering this on. The parties they are going to throw are going to be absolutely epic. You’ve heard the party of the decade, you’ve heard of the party of the century, get ready for the party of the millennium.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Good, the neoliberal world order is destroying itself

[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Australia really needs to close Pine Gap as well.

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[-] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

Disturbing thought though.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Israel, Iran, China, and Taiwan are all outside the scope of NATO.

Canada, Greenland, and most of the EU do fall under NATO protection though. It's a defensive alliance with well defined boundaries, member countries may have interests in other parts of the world, but since none of Israel, Iran, China, or Taiwan are NATO members it's not something NATO deals with. Unless one of those countries were to attack NATO of course.

Russia is in no shape to make war on Europe right now, they have their hands full with just Ukraine, and face economic collapse. Iran is in a similar situation. Trump has stopped his 51st state talk, but he's insane so you never know. China invading Taiwan? Trump is weak (he only talks tough) so you never know. But China is authoritarian and as we've seen of late authoritarian regimes don't seem to be doing well running military campaigns so it's possible they don't even have the capability of invading Taiwan.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

China might have a 2 year window coming up where it's even possible to invade Taiwan. Their military has modernized a lot, but they probably aren't quite to the point of being able to pull it off. At the same time, they are looking at a demographic cliff from the long term implications of the One Child policy.

It's possible this window as already closed. That said, authoritarian regimes have started wars before that were terrible ideas.

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[-] b0ber@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Step 1: Get help from NATO in the middle the east. Step 2: Once NATO needs your help withdraw. Step 3: PROFIT.

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[-] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Of course they do. Here's hoping they all die in a fire

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